Berto is underrated, there I said it.

[Pullcounter]

Good point, and also the difference between them is that Berto has at least attempted to chase after the big fights. Bute opted out of the Super Six...

***** please!

berto isn't looking for big fights, he's looking for big bucks.

mosley was too dangerous for berto and not worth the risk, that's why he ducked mosley twice. then he decides to go on a twitter war against mosley??? how about fighting mosley in the ring instead of fighting him with your text messages. at this rate, berto will just become another wifebeater jr. I say make that trick work hard to get the money.

[Iceta Lives]

The dude has got no chin and it showed when he had to be saved in the Rivera fight.

Here is my thing about Berto. Yes, the Welterweight division is kind of weak and all that. But why is it okay for him to be constantly fighting these 140 lbers, but when Angulo called him out Berto ran in another direction? And when Cintron called him out for that matter.

[withoutthee666]

Wow just no

Bute didnt want to enter a long tourney where the best fighters are all tied up now

Berto on the other hand has had the title for 3 years and could have fought Manny, Floyd, Mosley, Margarito, Cintron, Cotto, Williams and Clottey. But im sure they ALL avoided him because he "chased" after the big fights

Yes, Manny and Floyd are dying to fight Berto. Mosley told him "No, I'm fighting Pacquiao". Margarita, Cintron, Puta, Williams, and Clottey are all junior middleweights. Berto is the smaller man in his fight vs. Ortiz.

[shenmue]

Must be one of the most underserving World Champions in a long time. Won a Vacant title against an average fighter and has only defended his belt against decent/average opp in Collazo,Quintana and urango.

Now he is fighting a guy who couldn't even get a title shot at LWW never mind WW, still Ortiz might end uo being his toughest test, we shall see.

[The Surgeon]

Wow just no

Bute didnt want to enter a long tourney where the best fighters are all tied up now

Yeah tied up fighting all the other best fighters. Thats called top competition and what the game should be about, Bute shoulda been in there

Im with u on Berto tho

[Russian Crushin]

Yes, Manny and Floyd are dying to fight Berto. Mosley told him "No, I'm fighting Pacquiao". Margarita, Cintron, Puta, Williams, and Clottey are all junior middleweights. Berto is the smaller man in his fight vs. Ortiz.

Since he won his belt in '08 everyone of those guys were WW's when he could have fought him. If i included junoir middleweights, the list would have been WAAY bigger

[withoutthee666]

Must be one of the most underserving World Champions in a long time. Won a Vacant title against an average fighter and has only defended his belt against decent/average opp in Collazo,Quintana and urango.

Now he is fighting a guy who couldn't even get a title shot at LWW never mind WW, still Ortiz might end uo being his toughest test, we shall see.

Current champions more undeserving 147 lbs. and up:

Beibut Shumenov, Tavoris Cloud, Juergen Braehmer, Robert Steiglitz, Sebastian Zbik, Sebastian Sylvester, Saul Alvarez, Cornelius Bundrage, Vieacheslav Senchenko, Jan Zaveck.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Rome, trust me when I say Mike Jones is NOT, I repeat NOT ready for Berto yet.

I advise everybody to stop mentioning Mike Jones at this stage in Mike's career, he simply is not ready. And going by alot of the "logic" I see around here; WHO has Mike Jones Beaten to deserve a shot at a belt holder? Karass????

Who has Berto beat to get a shot at Pac??But that seems to be the consensus around here is that a guy who has fought nobody deserves a shot at Pac..I stick to my guns on this one Mike Jones by Brutal KO..Oh and don't be fooled Berto would not go nowhere near Karass..

[Russian Crushin]

Yeah tied up fighting all the other best fighters. Thats called top compititon and what the game should be about, Bute shoulda been in there

Im with u on Berto tho

I could understand anyone not wanting to enter this kind of Tourney. The fighters are locked up for like 3 years.

Now if it was like a BW tourney which is like a playoff, then i would be pissed

[$Bullsfam$]

His skill level isnt that high at all. Hes just fast and athletic. He has little real ring IQ. He loads up big punches a lot. His speed may take him quite far but when he faces a better boxer, its a wrap

Although if he was british he'd be in yo motha****in sig hahahaha

He's aight though. He's not the most talented fighter out there but that speed and power will keep him in a lot of fights. I think he's overrated just because he's a titleist that's been fighting 140lber's but Ortiz fits well as a weltweight and think he will stay here so I think we start seeing the best Berto today but seeing how he deals with a decent fighter like Ortiz.