Trying to explain/understand Khan/Sky/Primetime deal

[Kevin Malone]

I read a couple threads earlier on this but I think somethings are getting overlooked. Sky Sports in the UK as I understand it is pretty much like ESPN in the US. It's the main sports network. Anybody who subscribes to pay TV has Sky Sports (just like ESPN in the US). Khan's fight was originally supposed to be on Sky Box Office PPV which is like if ESPN did PPV boxing. It gets all the sports eyes for advertising, hype, to gain buys. For whatever reason it got moved to Sky Sports 3 (basically like ESPN2 in the US).

1. Why did it get moved? Could Sky PPV not promise a certain purse? This is one I haven't heard a reason for.

So it gets moved to Sky Sports 3 for a smaller purse. Khan's camp rejects it.

It gets picked up by Primetime. I've read a little on them and they seem like a fringe premium television network (basically like the new network Epix which had Klitschko-Solis). It seems you have to pay extra per month (like an HBO or Showtime service in the US).

2. Is this channel available to most people in the UK who want to subscribe (even though very few do obviously)? Is the Khan fight on the channel Primetime, or is it a seperate PPV produced and distributed by Primetime?

I think the UK folks get mixed up on the US channels so I'm trying to understand this. Most people in the US do not get HBO or Showtime. Less than 20 million people have Showtime, and less than 30 million have HBO out of a population of over 300 million so 90% of the US can NOT see these fights, while if big fights were on ESPN 90% COULD see it. ESPN is huge here they just have a small boxing budget.

I view this in US terms is if a fight went from ESPN PPV to ESPN2 to Epix or Integrated Sports PPV.

Help me understand.

[Naps]

I read a couple threads earlier on this but I think somethings are getting overlooked. Sky Sports in the UK as I understand it is pretty much like ESPN in the US. It's the main sports network. Anybody who subscribes to pay TV has Sky Sports (just like ESPN in the US). Khan's fight was originally supposed to be on Sky Box Office PPV which is like if ESPN did PPV boxing. It gets all the sports eyes for advertising, hype, to gain buys. For whatever reason it got moved to Sky Sports 3 (basically like ESPN2 in the US).

1. Why did it get moved? Could Sky PPV not promise a certain purse? This is one I haven't heard a reason for.

So it gets moved to Sky Sports 3 for a smaller purse. Khan's camp rejects it.

It gets picked up by Primetime. I've read a little on them and they seem like a fringe premium television network (basically like the new network Epix which had Klitschko-Solis). It seems you have to pay extra per month (like an HBO or Showtime service in the US).

2. Is this channel available to most people in the UK who want to subscribe (even though very few do obviously)? Is the Khan fight on the channel Primetime, or is it a seperate PPV produced and distributed by Primetime?

I think the UK folks get mixed up on the US channels so I'm trying to understand this. Most people in the US do not get HBO or Showtime. Less than 20 million people have Showtime, and less than 30 million have HBO out of a population of over 300 million so 90% of the US can NOT see these fights, while if big fights were on ESPN 90% COULD see it. ESPN is huge here they just have a small boxing budget.

I view this in US terms is if a fight went from ESPN PPV to ESPN2 to Epix or Integrated Sports PPV.

Help me understand.

Primetime isn't a network in the traditional sense. It ONLY shows PPV events, at all other times it doesn't broadcast, or just shows advertising for upcoming events etc..

You don't subscribe to it, if there is something you want to watch, you order it for that event only.

[RichardP]

Why do u care so much on this? Wow just watch the fight u wanker

[paulf]

I read a couple threads earlier on this but I think somethings are getting overlooked. Sky Sports in the UK as I understand it is pretty much like ESPN in the US. It's the main sports network. Anybody who subscribes to pay TV has Sky Sports (just like ESPN in the US). Khan's fight was originally supposed to be on Sky Box Office PPV which is like if ESPN did PPV boxing. It gets all the sports eyes for advertising, hype, to gain buys. For whatever reason it got moved to Sky Sports 3 (basically like ESPN2 in the US).

1. Why did it get moved? Could Sky PPV not promise a certain purse? This is one I haven't heard a reason for.

So it gets moved to Sky Sports 3 for a smaller purse. Khan's camp rejects it.

It gets picked up by Primetime. I've read a little on them and they seem like a fringe premium television network (basically like the new network Epix which had Klitschko-Solis). It seems you have to pay extra per month (like an HBO or Showtime service in the US).

2. Is this channel available to most people in the UK who want to subscribe (even though very few do obviously)? Is the Khan fight on the channel Primetime, or is it a seperate PPV produced and distributed by Primetime?

I think the UK folks get mixed up on the US channels so I'm trying to understand this. Most people in the US do not get HBO or Showtime. Less than 20 million people have Showtime, and less than 30 million have HBO out of a population of over 300 million so 90% of the US can NOT see these fights, while if big fights were on ESPN 90% COULD see it. ESPN is huge here they just have a small boxing budget.

I view this in US terms is if a fight went from ESPN PPV to ESPN2 to Epix or Integrated Sports PPV.

Help me understand.

1) Khan Promotions, Amir's "promotional company" put on this event and struck a deal with Sky to televise. Up until last year Amir was signed with British Boxing giant Warren Promotions. Anyway, 3/4 of the under card was cancelled and Sky is apparently so displeased with Khan Promotions that they aren't even going to televise Khan-Bradley now.

Basically Khan's company was so unprofessional and unorganized that Sky cancelled the PPV because they thought it would simply not be worth the cost to the buyers, especially after the Haye/Harrison debacle.

Sky moved the fight to Sky 3 (Like ESPN 2, a free network), which decreased the purse for Amir from 1.25 million pounds to 250,000 pounds or so. Khan's team found this to be unacceptable, so they struck a deal with Primetime. Froch's fights are on Primetime, and from what I understand, no one sees them in England because of this.

Amir is, however, much more famous than Froch. Perhaps his star power will draw fans to do something they've never done and order a fight from Primetime.

2) Anyone can order and pay for the fight. Primetime is a PPV network. The PPV event is being sold on Primetime for 15 pounds.

[wazaa.]

1) Khan Promotions, Amir's "promotional company" put on this event and struck a deal with Sky to televise. Up until last year Amir was signed with British Boxing giant Warren Promotions. Anyway, 3/4 of the under card was cancelled and Sky is apparently so displeased with Khan Promotions that they aren't even going to televise Khan-Bradley now.

Basically Khan's company was so unprofessional and unorganized that Sky cancelled the PPV because they thought it would simply not be worth the cost to the buyers, especially after the Haye/Harrison debacle.

Sky moved the fight to Sky 3 (Like ESPN 2, a free network), which decreased the purse for Amir from 1.25 million pounds to 250,000 pounds or so. Khan's team found this to be unacceptable, so they struck a deal with Primetime. Froch's fights are on Primetime, and from what I understand, no one sees them in England because of this.

Amir is, however, much more famous than Froch. Perhaps his star power will draw fans to do something they've never done and order a fight from Primetime.

2) Anyone can order and pay for the fight. Primetime is a PPV network. The PPV event is being sold on Primetime for 15 pounds.

This. Perfectly said.

[chav]

to watch PrimeTime you have to have Sky If i'm not mistaken?
Primetime is a new channel that is lost on the sky sports menu, it's right at the end and unless there is a PPV on, has nothing on it other then commericals and some replays & highlights.
Getting to watch it isn't that simple. You have to phone Primetime, give them your sky viiewing card and then pay for it and you can't record the show. With Sky you can record it in HD, view it whenever you want and purchasing is very simple, you push a button and it's all done. Only hardcore sports fans will have Primetime activated and ready to roll....most will only hear of PrimeTime advertising this fight in the next couple of days and I'll bet a lot of people won't be bothered watching it live because it means having to plan ahead slightly which is never good when you come back pissed from the pub late Friday evening.

If Khan makes this work on Primetime It could be the start of something new. I think it will fail and he'll be back to Sky soon enough with his tail between his legs. I'm happy Sky arent taking it's customers for mugs after the way the Haye - Harrison fight ended up.

[SpitBalla]

Froch, Haye, and klitchicko have all fought on primetime.

Khan is doing this because he will make more money. It's that simple.

If Khan makes this work on Primetime It could be the start of something new. I think it will fail and he'll be back to Sky soon enough with his tail between his legs. I'm happy Sky arent taking it's customers for mugs after the way the Haye - Harrison fight ended up.

Do you not know how to read? Khan was always planning to go back to sky and their relationship has not been damaged. So what's this tail between his legs idiocy?

[PinoyKiller]

I read a couple threads earlier on this but I think somethings are getting overlooked. Sky Sports in the UK as I understand it is pretty much like ESPN in the US. It's the main sports network. Anybody who subscribes to pay TV has Sky Sports (just like ESPN in the US). Khan's fight was originally supposed to be on Sky Box Office PPV which is like if ESPN did PPV boxing. It gets all the sports eyes for advertising, hype, to gain buys. For whatever reason it got moved to Sky Sports 3 (basically like ESPN2 in the US).

1. Why did it get moved? Could Sky PPV not promise a certain purse? This is one I haven't heard a reason for.

So it gets moved to Sky Sports 3 for a smaller purse. Khan's camp rejects it.

It gets picked up by Primetime. I've read a little on them and they seem like a fringe premium television network (basically like the new network Epix which had Klitschko-Solis). It seems you have to pay extra per month (like an HBO or Showtime service in the US).

2. Is this channel available to most people in the UK who want to subscribe (even though very few do obviously)? Is the Khan fight on the channel Primetime, or is it a seperate PPV produced and distributed by Primetime?

I think the UK folks get mixed up on the US channels so I'm trying to understand this. Most people in the US do not get HBO or Showtime. Less than 20 million people have Showtime, and less than 30 million have HBO out of a population of over 300 million so 90% of the US can NOT see these fights, while if big fights were on ESPN 90% COULD see it. ESPN is huge here they just have a small boxing budget.

I view this in US terms is if a fight went from ESPN PPV to ESPN2 to Epix or Integrated Sports PPV.

Help me understand.

Sky Sports isn't free though.

It's like CBS AND sHOWTIME.

Although Sky you have to pay for, and they have all channels such as mvoies, drama's, science, soaps, and sci fi's etc...

Then you can select packages. A movie package costs more, a sports package costs more. With these, you get the best and not crappy ones.