Why do all these "prospects" these days suck?

**Larry the boss** · 04-10-2011, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by Earl-Hickey

Odlanier Solis, James Kirkland, Kevin Mitchell, Kevin Johnson, Eddie Chambers, Chris Arreola, Victor Ortiz, David Lemieux, Danny Jacobs, Chad Dawson, Andre Dirrell.

These are just a few of the many failed prospects in recent times, i know some of these guys can come back still, but seriously.

The best new guys who have come through have been Martinez, who is 25 years old and Nonito Donaire, who no offence to him but he's too low a weight to engage the casual fans imo. And Carl Froch, who again is getting up there in years.

Who else is there?

Andre Ward? he's boring as ****, and tbqh he's highly untested and I wouldnt be surprised if Froch knocks him out in the finals of the super 6 and he drops off the radar.

Canello? he's ok but far from spectacular.

Bute? The fact that he's into his 30's and still has the resume of a prospect says it all.

Bradley? Solid fighter but nothing phenominal imo.

Khan? Another good fighter, but too one dimensional right now.

Wheres all the future ATG's at?

how is chad dawson a prospect??hes like a 3 time champ..and why when a fighter loses 1 fight they suck?

**Larry the boss** · 04-10-2011, 07:41 PM

bradley,khan,dawson,dirrell,areola,ward,chambers.. none of those are prospects

**The Gambler1981** · 04-10-2011, 07:41 PM

Because the wash out rate in boxing is very high even amongst the best prospects.

You can have all the talent in the world but if your mind is not right for the sport you will fail and with prospects people are looking at talent not mentality. Mainly because it is very hard to spot that and it takes a long time to figure that out.

**Steak** · 04-10-2011, 07:43 PM

A lot of it is matchmaking. What promoters try to do nowadays is feed bums to the guy over and over, and then BAM, move him up in class against someone hes never been in there with before.

They need to actually build fighter instead of build records. put them in there agaisnt a variety of opponents...a lot of the best ones are old veterans that will not get blown out early and get the prospect in some situations theyve never been in before.

The point of all those early fights is NOT to blast them out early or outclass them, its to learn.

also a lot of the physically gifted guys think that its all good just to abuse their speed or power to win fights instead of actually learning real boxing skill. you can only do that or so long before you get owned.

**Earl-Hickey** · 04-10-2011, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by LarryX2011

how is chad dawson a prospect??hes like a 3 time champ..and why when a fighter loses 1 fight they suck?

I consider him a prospect because he hasn't even had a signature win, he's a 3 time titlist, but as far as i know he has never held the ring belt, i.e he's a 3 time trinket holder. The first time he stepped up he was embarrased, weather through lack of ability or his own psychological problems.

I'm not saying "sucks" as an overarching term, but Chad Dawson isn't the future of anything imo.

On the way up did Ali, Leonard,Hearns or any of the other guys we talk about produce anything remotely like that diabolical performance against Pascal?

I want to know where the next ATG is, not just an above average belt holder in an average division.

Wheres the next game changer

**Check** · 04-10-2011, 07:44 PM

Boxing is getting thinner with real athletic fighters so the prospect aren't as can't miss as they are in the past. Also, this site and other sites no exist and allow you more information on fighters that probably aren't even that good in the first place.

**Check** · 04-10-2011, 07:47 PM

Also your expectations are too high. Some of the guys you listed are world champions and beat good competition. You brought up Andre Ward, who is a world champion and beat a guy that most people consider had a good career in Mikkel Kessler. How many fighters actually go through their career undefeated? Look at Sergio Martinez. If you were on boxingscene 10 years ago you would be putting him in the same category. Fighters are going to lose and are pushed faster than ever before. Floyd Mayweather is not the rule, he is the exception.

**Who are you?** · 04-10-2011, 07:48 PM

Some Amazing prospects (or say, fighters who have just transitioned from prospect to champion status):

Gennady Golovkin (Dude is phenomenal, potential to be a top P4P guy if he's handled correctly and has the right fights. Amazing amateur career. Good speed, excellent technique, KO power, and he moves well)

Guillermo Rigondeaux (Same as above!)

Robert Helenius (I don't feel he has as much potential as Golovkin or Rigondeaux, but Helenius is a very good fighter, always improving, and is coming off a very big win

Those would be my "big 3 propsects/early pro's at the moment" emphasis on Golovkin and Rigo

Other decent prospects, though not quite as "proven" as the above:

Rico Ramos, Jesse Vargas, Bradley Solomon, Vitaly Demyanenko, Erkan Teper, Vyacheslav Glazkov, Ismayl Syllakh, James DeGale, Saul Alvarez, Zaurbek Baysangurov (perhaps not really a prospect anymore tho...), Rakhim Chakhkiev, Mikael Zewski, Matvey Korobov.

**Kevin Malone** · 04-10-2011, 07:49 PM

under 30 quality fighters you didn't mention: Segura, Mikey Garcia, Rios, Ramon Gonzalez, Gamboa, Mares.

Don't discount the lower weightclasses entirely. It's where Pacquiao came from...

Why do all these "prospects" these days suck?