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Originally posted by PBF34
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Yeah I know, but so did Nunn. -
Totally agree. Nunn was awful by then, but what I am talking about is the Pre-Kalambay Nunn (are you blind, I've said that so many times now).Originally posted by RunWithKnivesComment
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Even after being shown how to spell you still can't get it right. You really are more ****** than I thought.Originally posted by JUYJUYComment
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Who was it he fought pre Kalambay that was a decent benchmark for his talents ****weed?Originally posted by JUYJUY
He fought nothing but bums at that time.
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http://www.boxingranks.com/Articles/Article279.htm
http://www.boxingranks.com/Articles/Article182.htm
http://www.qconline.com/archives/qco/sections.cgi?spt!id!155668
Some quotes from those links on Nunn..
“You can’t say anybody was better than Nunn,’’ the veteran boxing promoter from Indianapolis said. “Even Sugar Ray Leonard. Even Marvin Hagler. I think he would have beat Ray Robinson.’’
Emanuel Steward worked Nunn's corner at one time. "He has exceptionally fast hands and reflexes," Steward said, "But there seems to be something missing mentally inside of Michael."
“He ranks with the best fighters I ever saw,’’ agreed Angelo Dundee, a world-renowned trainer whose stable of champions included Leonard, Nunn and Muhammad Ali. “He had quickness, height and he took a rap.’’
"I promoted a lot of Ali fights," Arum said at the time, "and every time I looked at Nunn, he reminded me of the young Ali."
Former middleweight champion Michael Nunn was sentenced to 22 years in prison last week on a drug-trafficking charge.
Nunn was compared to Leonard throughout his career because of his speed, personality and grace. Nunn never recovered from his 1990 knockout loss to James Toney, though he was hyped as the next great attraction after Leonard, "Marvelous" Marvin Hagler, Thomas Hearns and Roberto Duran had passed their prime.
"Michael Nunn was a great guy who got caught in the trappings of being a world champion, losing it, then having no foundation to keep him balanced," Leonard said. "It happens in boxing. It happened to Mike Tyson.
"It's sad because Michael Nunn was the next guy in line to take the torch, the next television personality. He was going to take the sport to another level. Unfortunately, none of that happened."
Angelo Dundee, 81, has seen everything in the sport of boxing. Now living in Weston, Fla., Mr. Dundee still trains fighters.
Mr. Dundee, trainer of champions like Muhammad Ali, Carmen Basilio, Sugar Ray Leonard, Willie Pastrano, Jose Napoles and George Foreman, said he cannot lie about another champion he trained -- Michael Nunn.
``Talented?'' Mr. Dundee responds to a question with a question. ``He had so much going for him. Tall southpaw, well balanced, good reflexes.''
'Nunn had it all. He could box with what looked like effortless grace, a 6-foot-3 left-handed middleweight who could dance. But even more than the athletic abilities was the wholesome look that, back in the Eighties, made him appear to be a second to Nunn coming of Sugar Ray Leonard, the heir apparent..'
"We looked at Nunn and said, that guy's good." Better than that, said Goossen, "he was on nobody's radar screen."Last edited by JUYJUY; 09-16-2005, 09:04 PM.Comment
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JuyJuy. Do you really want me to post all Roy's accomplishments as well as quotes and critiques done by experts, trainers, and other parties?
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All those quotes are from these links:Originally posted by JUYJUY
http://www.boxingranks.com/Articles/Article279.htm
http://www.boxingranks.com/Articles/Article182.htm
http://www.qconline.com/archives/qco/sections.cgi?spt!id!155668
I hope maybe that you now realise that I'm not alone in rating a young Nunn so highly, just get hold of Nunn's fights Pre-Kalambay (and Kalambay) before drugs got him and judge for yourself. What can I say?Comment
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I don't know what to say, honestly.Originally posted by RunWithKnivesComment
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Jones as an amateur:
Jones had a very successful career as an amateur boxer - he won the 1984 United States National Junior Olympics in the 119 lb. weight division, he won the 1986 United States National Golden Gloves in the 139 lb. weight division and he won the 1987 United States National Golden Gloves in the 156 lb. weight division. But he is best remembered for representing the United States at the 1988 Seoul Olympic Games. His participation there proved to be controversial since, just as in Michael Carbajal's case, he lost a highly disputed decision in the final. Jones lost to a South Korean fighter, and a subsequent investigation led some of the judges to admit that they had accepted bribes from Korean officials to vote against Jones. Jones never accepted the silver medal, and his case, along with Carbajal's, led Olympic organizers to establish a new scoring system for Olympic boxing, a system that later began to be used on all amateur fights.
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Jones began as a professional on May 6, 1989, knocking out Ricky Randall in two rounds in Pensacola. For his next fight, he faced the more experienced Stephan Johnson in Atlantic City, and beat him by a knockout in round eight.
Jones built an impressive record of 15-0 with 15 knockouts before stepping up in class, when he met former world Welterweight champion Jorge Vaca in a Pay Per View fight on January 10, 1992. He knocked Vaca out in round one, to reach 16 knockout wins in a row. After one more knockout win, Jones went the distance for the first time, against former world champion Jorge Castro, who lost a 10-round decision to Jones in front of a USA Network national audience.
Three more knockouts in a row followed, after which Jones was given his first opportunity to fight for a world title: on May 22 of 1993, he beat future world champion Bernard Hopkins by a narrow but unanimous decision in Washington D.C., to capture the IBF's vacant world Middleweight title. For his next fight, he chose to fight another future world champion, Thulane "Sugar Boy" Malinga, in a non-title affair. Jones beat Malinga by a knockout in six.
1994 was a very diverse year for Jones. He beat fringe contender Danny "Popeye" Garcia by a knockout in six in another non-title bout, then retained the world title against Thomas Tate in two rounds at Las Vegas on May 27. By this point in his career, Jones was considered to be in the extreme upper echelon of the sport, widely considered one of boxing's Top Four "pound for pound" fighters. On November 18, he and the IBF's world Super Middleweight champion, James Toney, another member of the elite "pound for pound" contenders and a fighter considered by many to be the best in the sport at any weight, met in an anticipated bout at Las Vegas. Jones was able to turn the highly-anticipated fight into a bit of a mismatch, and he added another world championship by dropping Toney in round three, winning virtually every round for a unanimous decision.
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