VItali Klitschko: The Numbers

[BTL]

I don't have a problem putting the klitschkos up against the best ever.

[jimmy1569]

Yep it includes that, look for yourself if you don't believe me.

Wow... you are right..took him 11 less rds. Apparently he had like 3 first rd ko's before facing Ali. I was misinformed as i've heard several times he was the quickest.. apparently they forgot about SPINKS.. My bad as Klitschko is the second fastest. He's still number one & can't be runnerup by winning the title & still never going the distance... worse case scenario he's tied with someone else. I know Tyson went the distance.. & i think Foreman & frazier as well..perhaps Marciano.. as you see i'll just have to revise the wording is all that is.

[jimmy1569]

Yep it includes that, look for yourself if you don't believe me.

Btw... i went & edited the first post..what's fair is fair.

[jimmy1569]

Just for your information.. here are the brothers numbers as the duration of there fights have been discussed to death & why haven't they put away there foes in a timely fashion.
Vitali averages 4.75 rds a fight for his entire career
Wlad averages 4.71 rds a fight for his entire career.. both averaging less than 5 rds
Now ..rds per knockout......

Vitali gets his stoppages
at an average of 4.05 rds per KO
Wlad gets his stoppages
at an average of 4.08 rds per KO.

These numbers clash with what the haters have been claiming in terms of boredom when taking there entire careers into account. Vitali & Wlads work per fight is almost eerily identical. Only difference between the 2 is that Vitali has dominated slightly more & has less blemishes..not to mention nearly a dozen less trips to the canvas..otherwise there results & dominance are practically the same.

[Rick Grimes]

Just for your information.. here are the brothers numbers as the duration of there fights have been discussed to death & why haven't they put away there foes in a timely fashion.
Vitali averages 4.75 rds a fight for his entire career
Wlad averages 4.71 rds a fight for his entire career.. both averaging less than 5 rds
Now ..rds per knockout......

Vitali gets his stoppages
at an average of 4.05 rds per KO
Wlad gets his stoppages
at an average of 4.08 rds per KO.

These numbers clash with what the haters have been claiming in terms of boredom when taking there entire careers into account. Vitali & Wlads work per fight is almost eerily identical. Only difference between the 2 is that Vitali has dominated slightly more & has less blemishes..not to mention nearly a dozen less trips to the canvas..otherwise there results & dominance are practically the same.

People never really complain about Vitali's style of fighting he always puts on a good show when he has the chance. Now Wlad used to be an exciting fighter, but since working with Steward he is too cautious and his opponents can be dead on their feet and he still won't go in for the KO.

[betmen]

This much dominance & discrepency in other sports makes you the best ever.. Apparently in boxing..we focus more on opponents than the actual skills of the fighter himself.. They're using the Wilt Chamberlain theory here on Vitali when it doesn't pertain at all as Vitali is fighting the biggest heavyweight ever..unlike Wilt WhO feasted on much smaller competition as opposed to the modern era. Also in boxing..it's more of a head to head & not team oriented.. Vitali's got all the physical tools on his side & most importantly knows how to fight... no way in hell he'd have trouble with former greats,,which basically is what's denying him is rightful place atop the heavyweight list. He can't face all these fighters through no doing of his own.. I have no DOUBT in my mind they would all go down like dominoes one by great one.

I tell u all ,rightnow vitali is the most respectful, most scary fighter. he gave the aura of inviciblity just like foreman in his younger day. and more great cause the fact he is an oldman and shot. and we always see his opponent lose mentally.

[jimmy1569]

People never really complain about Vitali's style of fighting he always puts on a good show when he has the chance. Now Wlad used to be an exciting fighter, but since working with Steward he is too cautious and his opponents can be dead on their feet and he still won't go in for the KO.

I can agree with that.... he's gassed twice in his career after using his opponents for target prectice & twice came away with a loss. The plan with Steward was to minimize all his risks. He is apprehensive as he also doesn't want to get careless & get caught with something trying to finish his opponent. He wants to completely take away there resolve before putting them away & it does seem to be an overly cautious approach but at the same we're deeming his opponents & comparing them to what he's actually doing to them. In other words..we're using Wlad's dominance against him.. we expect him to destroy all his opponents & don't have the patience for the cautious approach despite most of the time getting the desired result. He's being preserved but at the same time unbeatable. Also i do think the opponent dead on there feet thing is slightly exaggerated because they're being slowly beaten down. Yes ..there were a couple of opponents that he could've went for the kill earlier but there have been afew when he's put them away at the proper time. Peter..Austin.. Brock..

[jimmy1569]

I tell u all ,rightnow vitali is the most respectful, most scary fighter. he gave the aura of inviciblity just like foreman in his younger day. and more great cause the fact he is an oldman and shot. and we always see his opponent lose mentally.

Man... i don't know what you said.. but it sounded good.. Keep up the good work.

[betmen]

Man... i don't know what you said.. but it sounded good.. Keep up the good work.

i said the other fighter really respect him, just like top heavy weight respect joe frazier in the 70's.
he coming of 4,5 years retirement and still knocking out all top contender. is like "i must go trough hell to beat this giant" in all his opponent mind.

[jimmy1569]

i said the other fighter really respect him, just like top heavy weight respect joe frazier in the 70's.
he coming of 4,5 years retirement and still knocking out all top contender. is like "i must go trough hell to beat this giant" in all his opponent mind.

Man... i don't know what you said.. but it sounded good.. Keep up the good work.
I'm just playing..i get the gist of what you're saying & i agree. He's slowly developed this aura of invincibility that is NOT imagined. The boxing public knows how unbeatable he really is & by unbeatable.. this is no Mike TYSON.. Foreman Liston con job where everyone is just intimidated. There's intimidation also but there really is NO way to beat him...those fighters if you stood up to them..half the battle was over & it became a level playing field & they couldn't use the bully factor no longer.. at least with opponents that didn't fear them. Here with Vitali..you have an even more insurmountable deficit as even if you stand up to him..you still can't overcome his physical advantages & boxing style.

He's got one thing they don't & that's the size advantage to go along with his boxing ability to control a fight & simply control the distance between you & him & he can tag you but you can't tag him from that distance.sure only the exceptional few might be able to penetrate because of exceptional speed like Solis & Sanders.. & Lewis but even if you do..you're still at a disadvantage as he's ALWAYS going to throw more leather than you.... & factor in the last defence.. he can take your best punch even if it does land by chance & you have the makings of the hardest fighter you can ever beat as he's got all the angles covered except for when he's injured as that's when playing field is level.