Is Ortiz already at the make it or break it point in his career??

[Eaner0919]

Looking like butt against Nate Campbell too, and some think it's only the Maidana fight.

and played it safe against of all people Hector Alatorre

I think Vic realizes the severity of his indifference to the sport and is now trying to make up for lost time thus the make or break approach

[Toney Loc]

Looking like butt against Nate Campbell too, and some think it's only the Maidana fight.

Word, true that. He ran away from a senior citizen that night. :down:

[Doctor_Tenma]

and played it safe against of all people Hector Alatorre

I think Vic realizes the severity of his indifference to the sport and is now trying to make up for lost time thus the make or break approach

Gonna check that out

[extracurRICular]

Boxing nowadays has changed. Back then, if you lose a fight, you brush it off and come back stronger. Nowadays, if you lose, you were exposed/ a bum.

dunno if it so much boxing as it is the new breed of ******ed ass nuthugers who are only looking for a ***** in the armor to call a kat "exposed" or a bum.....I think the kats that know they **** know what's good.......but you do get (specially in forums) lots of tards overusing those words to the point where really they mean nothing ........at least to me..........

[extracurRICular]

and played it safe against of all people Hector Alatorre

I think Vic realizes the severity of his indifference to the sport and is now trying to make up for lost time thus the make or break approach

Somehow I cant help to think that this kid could use better management.......

[| THE KING |]

dunno if it so much boxing as it is the new breed of ******ed ass nuthugers who are only looking for a ***** in the armor to call a kat "exposed" or a bum.....I think the kats that know they **** know what's good.......but you do get (specially in forums) lots of tards overusing those words to the point where really they mean nothing ........at least to me..........

Agreed.. I guess you can say it's most of the idiotic posters I catch on BS more than anything. I haven't met any boxing fans in real life that act as wreckless as some on here do.

[Beater_of_ass]

No kidding.

I liked Marvin Haglers approach, if you beat him, he came back and beat you worse in a rematch. (unless you're retire sugar ray style)

This day and age, if you're not undefeated or have any loses that didn't occur very early in your career when you were weight drained or some crap, then you're a bum/done/wannabe

With that thought, I think this doesn't really apply to ortiz, its not that he has lost, its how he lost, and the timid way he's fought since. Like he's holding back and maybe a little scared. He was overwhelming, and a powerhouse, and looked like the next big thing, and someone stood up to him and then he quit. Now he tries to box, and looks solid, but doesn't seem to have the kill in him anymore. so its not so much about him having more losses, so much as him not being able to compete on the higher level with the furiousity that got him to that point to begin with.

This

[extracurRICular]

Agreed.. I guess you can say it's most of the idiotic posters I catch on BS more than anything. I haven't met any boxing fans in real life that act as wreckless as some on here do.

Well that's cuz over the internet anyone has the balls to say anything......in real life......well that's a whole nother story!

[RIZO24]

Ortiz is putting his career on the line in this fight VS Berto, If he wins, big fights are in the future and if he loses I doubt anyone will want to watch him fight anymore!!! I mean with the way he chickened out against Maidana he lost a lot of support!!!

[Eaner0919]

Gonna check that out

it was a Fight Night Club and most of press row was wondering why he wasn't going after Hector

it was awful