Is Ortiz already at the make it or break it point in his career??

**Toney Loc** · 03-17-2011, 02:41 PM

Basically. If he wins, bigger things await him. If he loses, he'll fade into Bolivian.

**| THE KING |** · 03-17-2011, 02:43 PM

Depends.. if Ortiz shows heart and guts it out even in a loss.. he will be rewarded with more fights. If he wins he gets bigger paydays. It's a win/win for Ortiz.. people have been shiiittin on him since the Maidana fight.

**Doctor_Tenma** · 03-17-2011, 02:45 PM

He loses, that's an abyss he'll have to climb out of. So he better bring it.

**extracurRICular** · 03-17-2011, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Toney Loc

Basically. If he wins, bigger things await him. If he loses, he'll fade into Bolivian.

I guess what im sayin is for a young kat it sure seems like a very short leash to say he is at that point in his career..........

**| THE KING |** · 03-17-2011, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by Slick Ric

I guess what im sayin is for a young kat it sure seems like a very short leash to say he is at that point in his career..........

Boxing nowadays has changed. Back then, if you lose a fight, you brush it off and come back stronger. Nowadays, if you lose, you were exposed/ a bum.

**Toney Loc** · 03-17-2011, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by Slick Ric

I guess what im sayin is for a young kat it sure seems like a very short leash to say he is at that point in his career..........

He did it to himself. He lost a ton of prestige after the Maidana fight for saying what he said and looking like butt against Peterson didn't help either.

**Doctor_Tenma** · 03-17-2011, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by Toney Loc

He did it to himself. He lost a ton of prestige after the Maidana fight for saying what he said and looking like butt against Peterson didn't help either.

Looking like butt against Nate Campbell too, and some think it's only the Maidana fight.

**DIB42** · 03-17-2011, 02:49 PM

If he loses and Berto looks good beating him, then he'll be a gatekeeper.
If he loses but its close, he may get a rematch and could still be in the running.

If berto absolutely slaughters him, he'll be a bust.

**DIB42** · 03-17-2011, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by | THE KING |

Boxing nowadays has changed. Back then, if you lose a fight, you brush it off and come back stronger. Nowadays, if you lose, you were exposed/ a bum.

No kidding.

I liked Marvin Haglers approach, if you beat him, he came back and beat you worse in a rematch. (unless you're retire sugar ray style)

This day and age, if you're not undefeated or have any loses that didn't occur very early in your career when you were weight drained or some crap, then you're a bum/done/wannabe

With that thought, I think this doesn't really apply to ortiz, its not that he has lost, its how he lost, and the timid way he's fought since. Like he's holding back and maybe a little scared. He was overwhelming, and a powerhouse, and looked like the next big thing, and someone stood up to him and then he quit. Now he tries to box, and looks solid, but doesn't seem to have the kill in him anymore. so its not so much about him having more losses, so much as him not being able to compete on the higher level with the furiousity that got him to that point to begin with.

Is Ortiz already at the make it or break it point in his career??