Comments Thread For: Team Pacquiao: We Want Outdo Mayweather, Not Martinez

[Ryannn]

If that were the case he couldn't just walk away.


Either way he was a free agent. His partnership has NOTHING to do with his ability to make a fight unless someone feels like acting like a girl. GBP wouldn't have gotten a cut if Arum didn't want it. Get over it and (one more time) STOP MAKING EXCUSES.

seriously, are you this biggoted or are you just trolling?

why can't you accept the fact that shane being a part of goldenboy IS A FACTOR when he was being considered to fight pacquiao?

heck, shane said it himself ffs.

[anglkng]

the point is that fight is the greatest farce in boxing! if pac wants a 154 strap, then fight a legit 154. it would be suicide to fight serg, but then dont tell me you have a jr mid strap by buying it insted of fighting for it. thats all im saying. keep it real. earn the title. you never fight at jr mid and in your first fight you fight another man that never fought at 154 and is just comming off suspension and who was never re-instated by the suspending body. and who should have never had a texas license in the first place. WTF.

You mean if Pac want's a 154lbs strap, he has to earn it by beating somebody who weighs in at 168lbs fightnight? Don't make me laugh!

[TOMABOXING]

Manny is a hype job! Manny you *****ed out when Shane called you out after

Knocking out Margarito and after he had two bad fights you pick to fight him. Manny your a fraud. Beating Mayweather left overs bahahahahahaha. Both Floyd & Manny need to retire for good.

[TOMABOXING]

Damn you just crushed all *******s with that! POW , nuff said.

[sputnik]

Team Pac is a Piece of S. They keep moving the goal posts for each fighter. If its a small guy, he has to move up two divisions. If its a big guy, he has to move down two divisions. I don't dislike Manny, I just dislike the fake persona/media creation. Martinez would kill the little guy with pure jabs and lefts.

Refresh my memory, which "small guy" did he want to move up 2 divisions?? Marquez? Bradley? are they really that small? Heck Marquez is taller than Pacquiao by half an inch LOL. And which MW did Pacquiao ask to come down to WW?? You might say Dela Hoya, in fact ODLH proposed to fight @ WW so that was a fair arrangement and ODLH then was the cash cow not Manny.

Pacquiao is a natural FW fighting at WW, it's but fair for those wanting to fight him who are currently in a higher division(MW/JMW) to go down to WW if they really want it bad (calling out Martinez).

You know why Pacquiao does that, because HE CAN! And he EARNED IT!

[Fighting Pride]

bunch of bull**** up in here. this is different to mayweather ducking cotto and Margo. They were in his division. Mayweather retired when his division was the hottest in boxing avoiding a number of great matchups. Pac has done what Mayweather refused to do, cleaned out 147, and now he is a fraud and ducking a middleweight?

Martinez IS a middleweight. His last 4 fights have been at middleweight. He fought Dzinziruk a 154 lber at middleweight, his next fight is reported to be manfredo, a middleweight.

Most Pac has weighed for a fight is 145. He is a welterweight and there's 13-14lbs difference there, which would increase to over 20lbs during their fights. All you ****s can cry about his 154 belt, fact is he vacated the belt after winning it, like so many legends have done at higher than their natural weights, who's merits no-one ever questions.

[QADASHBANYAH]

Refresh my memory, which "small guy" did he want to move up 2 divisions?? Marquez? Bradley? are they really that small? Heck Marquez is taller than Pacquiao by half an inch LOL. And which MW did Pacquiao ask to come down to WW?? You might say Dela Hoya, in fact ODLH proposed to fight @ WW so that was a fair arrangement and ODLH then was the cash cow not Manny.

Pacquiao is a natural FW fighting at WW, it's but fair for those wanting to fight him who are currently in a higher division(MW/JMW) to go down to WW if they really want it bad (calling out Martinez).

You know why Pacquiao does that, because HE CAN! And he EARNED IT!

pac is a welterweight and walks around damn near 147...... simple... all this **** about he has to eat to gain weight is bull****

Dat ****** PAC HEAD WEIGH 147 BY ITSELF!!!

[Pullcounter]

pac can't duck someoone that's not in his division

[martin_1995]

Any brains

why can't everyone see something that's so clear. Pac have accomplish what no one in the world have and will ever accomplish in boxing. Gayweather is just an overrated boxer. Any one who thinks different is a ****ing moron. nitramzaid@hotmail.com

[Brother Jay]

First of all, Floyd didn't duck anyone at 147. God, you people know crap about boxing.

When Floyd left in Dec 2007, Margarito and Cotto had done nothing at that point. Are you kidding?

Margarito got beat by Williams. His claim to fame came against Cotto.

Cotto's claim to fame came against Mosley in a match that I and many others felt that Shane won.

These guys weren't doing anything noteworthy while Floyd was active. Go look at the records and dates.

As far as Martinez goes, he can say whatever he wants. He's arguing over a title that ANYONE can lay claim to. P4P is an argument created to hypothetically match a smaller guy's skills against bigger men that they couldn't possibly compete against in the bigger man's division. In today's boxing, the term has been misused and ******ed to drum up more interest in a sport that is losing fans fast.

Martinez is no P4P king by looking to fight smaller guys. Bull****. If he were P4P#1, he should be looking to fight Andre Ward or Chad Dawson. Pacquiao isn't P4P because he stipulates that the bigger fighters must meet him(cut weight) when P4P was meant to be the other way around! How are these two P4P?

Mayweather fought DLH when DLH came in unofficially 175lbs+. He didn't ask for DLH to cut weight. He didn't ask for concessions that would have manipulated the match more to his own advantage. That's what pus*ies do. Roy Jones fought Ruiz at heavyweight. He didn't make the man come down to cruiserweight. He didn't play catchweight games to weaken Ruiz.

Those are P4P performances. A smaller man does his best to make a division weight while allowing his opponent to come in any weight he is comfortable at as long as its within the division limit[even though HW has no limit].

So in the end, let people call themselves P4P#1. What does it mean? It just means that they won their last fight! Hell, Donaire is being called P4P#3 and he's still a baby in his career. Nowadays anyone who wins a fight in exciting fashion is P4P#1 .. which takes away any credibility the term used to have or hold.

Too many fans are worried about "bestowed" titles. A magazine can call someone the best fighter, while another can call someone else the best fighter. They're all subjective titles, just like P4P. They hold no real weight .. especially in an era of media hype in the sport.

Mayweather has the best record of this era.

He's the highest paid athlete in the world[excluding endorsements].

He's the most accurate puncher since the inception of CompuBox in the sport.

He's got the most longevity at the top amongst current boxers.

He grosses the highest PPV .. which means that more people are willing to pay to see him fight than for ANY other boxer in PPV attractions.

The only current boxer who has fought his level and quality of competition is Bernard Hopkins.

He did all this without King and Arum for the majority of his career. Most boxers couldn't do half of that without a big time promoter backing them. You have to be special to enjoy that kind of success without King or Arum, and Floyd left Arum years and years ago. That's why Arum is trying to stick it to Floyd in the Pacquiao negotiations now.

So hate on, Haters. If you think that Pacquiao keeps even 50% of what he supposedly earns with Arum as his promoter then you are dreaming. Arum and King only work with you if you're willing to let them **** you contractually. Most people don't mind because they still make 10 times more than they would on their own. Mayweather isn't going to make 10 times his best payday under any circumstances because his best day is already record setting.

So the only thing that King can do is what he does best: Negotiate. He'll get Floyd what he wants and Arum will hate it because King won't miss the fine print like Floyd would have.

So other than the USADA random tests up until the match, the only thing holding the fight up is Arum's unwillingness to not be the biggest fish in the room.

Think about it people: Since beating Marquez, Roach, Arum and Pacquiao have never dealt with a boxer who had the clout to demand more than them. Everyone Team Pacquiao offered a fight to had just lost, but still was about to get their biggest payday of their career. How could they demand ANYTHING?

That's why Arum and Roach need to play their "calling out" games in the media. They know that they'll get ****ed in the rear at the negotiating table because Floyd Mayweather brings too much in terms of numbers and status.