Comments Thread For: David Haye on The Klitschko Deal, Their History: Part 3

[Carlisle]

Klitschko fans are sensitive.....

You have to understand Klitschko fans are sensitive about the Klitschko's for a few reasons:
1. There aren't many white champions in the sport of boxing.
2. If the Klitschko's are exposed as frauds it will be embarrassing for their fans. Remember the last great white hope Kelly Pavlik? He beat Miranda then Taylor (who had already beaten Hopkins). Hopkins exposed Pavlik as a one dimensional fighter.
3. Klitschkos give white boxing fans something to be proud of. It has to be hard to be a racist white boxing fan with the Klitschkos as the only decent white champions to cheer for. Let a Klitschko fan tell it and the Klitschkos are greatest of all time. Disregard that all of their losses have been by knockout with only one of their conquerors (Lennox Lewis) being an all time great. Their victories don't include one all time great.
4. Klitschko fans stay busy defending the Klitschkos reputations. Instead of enjoying the sport they are busy making excuses for the Klitschkos KO losses, handpicked opponents and slave contracts.

I would be sensitive too supporting some bull**** like the Klitschkos because they are not legit.

[jknightx]

You have to understand Klitschko fans are sensitive about the Klitschko's for a few reasons:
1. There aren't many white champions in the sport of boxing.
2. If the Klitschko's are exposed as frauds it will be embarrassing for their fans. Remember the last great white hope Kelly Pavlik? He beat Miranda then Taylor (who had already beaten Hopkins). Hopkins exposed Pavlik as a one dimensional fighter.
3. Klitschkos give white boxing fans something to be proud of. It has to be hard to be a racist white boxing fan with the Klitschkos as the only decent white champions to cheer for. Let a Klitschko fan tell it and the Klitschkos are greatest of all time. Disregard that all of their losses have been by knockout with only one of their conquerors (Lennox Lewis) being an all time great. Their victories don't include one all time great.
4. Klitschko fans stay busy defending the Klitschkos reputations. Instead of enjoying the sport they are busy making excuses for the Klitschkos KO losses, handpicked opponents and slave contracts.

I would be sensitive too supporting some bull**** like the Klitschkos because they are not legit.

See this is a racists statement also.You assume all Klitschko fans are white(not true) you assume that people like the Klitschkos is because they white(also not true)So these are also racists beliefs. I like fighters of just about every nationality and race.And when The Klitschkos first emerged on th scene I did not think they were 2 much and thought they were just the typical Eruo fighteres stiff with little defense.But I watch them improve and get a lot better as they went along.Especailly after the defeats they went back and corrected their mistakes and became much better,and thats how they won me over,not because they are white, but because they took thier loses like true warriors and fixed thier mistakes,just like Lewis did after getting knocked out.

A true warrior gets up after a loss,dusts themselves off and comes back stronger and better.Alot of fighters never recover from a lost,they lose thier fire,A true champion always comes back better!

[ChopperRead]

You have to understand Klitschko fans are sensitive about the Klitschko's for a few reasons:
1. There aren't many white champions in the sport of boxing.
2. If the Klitschko's are exposed as frauds it will be embarrassing for their fans. Remember the last great white hope Kelly Pavlik? He beat Miranda then Taylor (who had already beaten Hopkins). Hopkins exposed Pavlik as a one dimensional fighter.
3. Klitschkos give white boxing fans something to be proud of. It has to be hard to be a racist white boxing fan with the Klitschkos as the only decent white champions to cheer for. Let a Klitschko fan tell it and the Klitschkos are greatest of all time. Disregard that all of their losses have been by knockout with only one of their conquerors (Lennox Lewis) being an all time great. Their victories don't include one all time great.
4. Klitschko fans stay busy defending the Klitschkos reputations. Instead of enjoying the sport they are busy making excuses for the Klitschkos KO losses, handpicked opponents and slave contracts.

I would be sensitive too supporting some bull**** like the Klitschkos because they are not legit.

The Klitschkos aren't "Great White Hopes." They own the HW division, they don't have to hope.

Clay lost to LEON FREAKING SPINKS and got knocked on his ass by CHUCKY CHEESE WEPNER.

Can't imagine Wlad or Vitali having much trouble with either of those.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J2RI...eature=related

The US boxing media has been dominated by black worshippers like Bert Sugar who have created the mythology which surrounds Clay and other black fighters.

It's the same principle as white critics who fetishize black musical forms like jazz, blues and hip-hop.

Sugar despises the K-Bros because they don't fit in his black superiority paradigm that he has spent a lifetime promoting. Guess I can't blame him for that.

[jknightx]

hOW IN THE HECK DID TGHIS BECOME A RACIAL DEBATE? People (And I mean everyone here wether it be Haye fan or Klitschkos fan) need to stop with all the racial b.s.If like the Klitschkos doesn't mean your a white racists.If you like Haye doesn't mean your are a black supremist.They are great fighters of every nationality and race.Why can't debate boxing and support our favorite fighters with it becoming a race war?Guys Ilike argueing with you Haye supports ,these forums would not be fun with the disagrements and banter back and forth.
And I can garuentee you a lot of you who are bickering back and forth here would more than likely be friends if you were to meet in person in a bar and start talking about a boxing match on the tv at the bar.I have a friend who works with me and he grew up in england,boxed as an amerture in England.I did same here in the states.He likes Haye ,Solis and Mayweather,I like the Klitschkos and Pacquiao, and we argueall the time about these fighters,but were are still good friends.(we both agree that Hagler was great tho) but that is are only common ground in boxing,but yet we are still good friends.Rce does need to play into this.We all love boxing no matter who you like.We all love to argue boxing.Basically we are the same in the end.

[appollo33]

See this is a racists statement also.You assume all Klitschko fans are white(not true) you assume that people like the Klitschkos is because they white(also not true)So these are also racists beliefs. I like fighters of just about every nationality and race.And when The Klitschkos first emerged on th scene I did not think they were 2 much and thought they were just the typical Eruo fighteres stiff with little defense.But I watch them improve and get a lot better as they went along.Especailly after the defeats they went back and corrected their mistakes and became much better,and thats how they won me over,not because they are white, but because they took thier loses like true warriors and fixed thier mistakes,just like Lewis did after getting knocked out.

A true warrior gets up after a loss,dusts themselves off and comes back stronger and better.Alot of fighters never recover from a lost,they lose thier fire,A true champion always comes back better!

Great post man thats exactly one of the biggest reasons i respect Klitschko Bros!

[ChopperRead]

hOW IN THE HECK DID TGHIS BECOME A RACIAL DEBATE? People (And I mean everyone here wether it be Haye fan or Klitschkos fan) need to stop with all the racial b.s.If like the Klitschkos doesn't mean your a white racists.If you like Haye doesn't mean your are a black supremist.They are great fighters of every nationality and race.Why can't debate boxing and support our favorite fighters with it becoming a race war?Guys Ilike argueing with you Haye supports ,these forums would not be fun with the disagrements and banter back and forth.
And I can garuentee you a lot of you who are bickering back and forth here would more than likely be friends if you were to meet in person in a bar and start talking about a boxing match on the tv at the bar.I have a friend who works with me and he grew up in england,boxed as an amerture in England.I did same here in the states.He likes Haye ,Solis and Mayweather,I like the Klitschkos and Pacquiao, and we argueall the time about these fighters,but were are still good friends.(we both agree that Hagler was great tho) but that is are only common ground in boxing,but yet we are still good friends.Rce does need to play into this.We all love boxing no matter who you like.We all love to argue boxing.Basically we are the same in the end.

It's a nice sentiment, but in the US the issue of race is never far from the surface.

I remember one remark by Don Imus leading to hysteria and a two-week debate on cable TV and Imus having to crawl and apologize and he still got fired.

There is no getting around race in the US. It's the open wound that will never completely heal.

[jknightx]

It's a nice sentiment, but in the US the issue of race is never far from the surface.

I remember one remark by Don Imus leading to hysteria and a two-week debate on cable TV and Imus having to crawl and apologize and he still got fired.

There is no getting around race in the US. It's the open wound that will never completely heal.

Yes I remember that incident. You may be right about the wound that will never heal(bcause people refuse to let it heal) but at least here on a boxing forum we should be able to get over it.Hell will all like boxing,we have comon ground here.and like I said befor,if we all met in some bar watching a fight on the t.v. we most likely would get along just find.We argue about the ref,the fighters the judges the commentators and even bet a round of drinks on the fighters,and even argue abou t the ring card girls,but in the end we most likely leave friends and talking about the next big fight.

[Tobi.G]

Yes I remember that incident. You may be right about the wound that will never heal(bcause people refuse to let it heal) but at least here on a boxing forum we should be able to get over it.Hell will all like boxing,we have comon ground here.and like I said befor,if we all met in some bar watching a fight on the t.v. we most likely would get along just find.We argue about the ref,the fighters the judges the commentators and even bet a round of drinks on the fighters,and even argue abou t the ring card girls,but in the end we most likely leave friends and talking about the next big fight.

Awesome posting!

[robotone]

No place for racism here

Some very good posts here fellas. I think in a way I started it by calling Haye a "monkey". This had absolutely no reference to his race at all, only to his disrespectful demeanor and unclassy behaviuor. Then this Blobby dude came out of woodwork with accusations of racism. I think this is ridiculous and he is a camouflaged racist himself, if he makes such assumptions. I am a boxing fan and enjoy great fights regardless of the fighter's race. Yes I am a Klitschko fan and I dislike Haye for his clowning and lies but there are many black fighters I consider truly great. Something has to be said about this ****** tendency to interpret any comment critical of a visible minority member as "racist". This only serves to inflame people that have a position or make comments completely free of any racial bias.

[Rick Grimes]

Some very good posts here fellas. I think in a way I started it by calling Haye a "monkey". This had absolutely no reference to his race at all, only to his disrespectful demeanor and unclassy behaviuor. Then this Blobby dude came out of woodwork with accusations of racism. I think this is ridiculous and he is a camouflaged racist himself, if he makes such assumptions. I am a boxing fan and enjoy great fights regardless of the fighter's race. Yes I am a Klitschko fan and I dislike Haye for his clowning and lies but there are many black fighters I consider truly great. Something has to be said about this ****** tendency to interpret any comment critical of a visible minority member as "racist". This only serves to inflame people that have a position or make comments completely free of any racial bias.

GTFO you could have called Haye any number of other names but you had to choose words that are considered racist to black people. I know what you were getting at you racist piece of ****.