Is Pavlik really better than Dzinziruk?

**intoccabile** · 03-13-2011, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by Pastrano

Thats what Kellerman thinks. I disagree. Who do you think is better? Pavlik may have more power (naturally, he's a bigger man!) but technically he's behind Serhiy clearly.

I dont think so, no.

I personally think Dizzy is the best fighter at 154 and would favor him over anyone shy of Sergio.

**SCtrojansbaby** · 03-13-2011, 08:39 AM

At 160 Pavlik>>>>>Dzinzinruk
P4P Pavlik=Dzinzinruk

**Faerun** · 03-13-2011, 08:47 AM

At 160 he sure is. Midway through the fight against Martinez Pavlik managed to drop and outbox him but couldn't deal with both eyes swollen shut in the late rounds.

Dzinziruk proved to be a B- level fighter at 160 and was overhyped as a Felix Sturm deluxe or something.

**MARKBNLV** · 03-13-2011, 08:52 AM

Like i have stated in other threads dizzys best wins are against Joel Julio and Daniel Santos.Kelly Pavlik was the legit middleweight champ dizzy just holds a belt.

**intoccabile** · 03-13-2011, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by Faerun

At 160 he sure is. Midway through the fight against Martinez Pavlik managed to drop and outbox him but couldn't deal with both eyes swollen shut in the late rounds.

Dzinziruk proved to be a B- level fighter at 160 and was overhyped as a Felix Sturm deluxe or something.

I think he's better than sturm, actually. He has more tools he seems to work with and commits a bit more. Sturm would be beaten much like Dizzy was tonight, though. Probably worse considering he's in a much more familiar stance as a conventional fighter.. something sergio has delt with his entire career.

Even then.. I can't argue with Dizzys resume and say he isn't a great fighter because well.. let's face it.

Prior to Martinez's win over Pavlik who were his best wins?
Prior to Winky fighting Vargas and beating Mosley who were his best wins?
Prior to any fighter getting a break, really, who were their best wins?

**SCtrojansbaby** · 03-13-2011, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by intoccabile

I think he's better than sturm, actually. He has more tools he seems to work with and commits a bit more. Sturm would be beaten much like Dizzy was tonight, though. Probably worse considering he's in a much more familiar stance as a conventional fighter.. something sergio has delt with his entire career.

LOL please tell me your kidding?

**Pastrano** · 03-13-2011, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by intoccabile

I think he's better than sturm, actually. He has more tools he seems to work with and commits a bit more. Sturm would be beaten much like Dizzy was tonight, though. Probably worse considering he's in a much more familiar stance as a conventional fighter.. something sergio has delt with his entire career.

Even then.. I can't argue with Dizzys resume and say he isn't a great fighter because well.. let's face it.

Prior to Martinez's win over Pavlik who were his best wins?
Prior to Winky fighting Vargas and beating Mosley who were his best wins?
Prior to any fighter getting a break, really, who were their best wins?

Sturm is a natural mw, Dizzy is not. Sturm doesn't rely on his jab to win fights. Sturm has a better defence and a better chin than Dizzy. Dizzy has a good chin at 154, not at 160. At 160 his chin is just decent. Furthermore, Sturm wouldn't make the mistake Dizzy made and just go at Sergio, he wouldn't allow himself to brawl.

**Sweet Jesus** · 03-13-2011, 01:06 PM

Dzinziruk is natural junior middleweight, he came up in weight to fight the best in the world. I would like to see Dzinziruk in there against the best 154 has to offer. Kelly Pavlik is a beast at 160 and it takes truly great fighters to beat him (Hopkins, Martinez).

**Faerun** · 03-13-2011, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by intoccabile

I think he's better than sturm, actually. He has more tools he seems to work with and commits a bit more. Sturm would be beaten much like Dizzy was tonight, though. Probably worse considering he's in a much more familiar stance as a conventional fighter.. something sergio has delt with his entire career.

Even then.. I can't argue with Dizzys resume and say he isn't a great fighter because well.. let's face it.

Naw, Dzinziruk is not better than Sturm especially not at MW. Sturm is still the exact same guy who whooped DLH's azz seven years ago (seriously, he hasn't declined AT ALL) and proves a much bigger threat to Martinez than Dzinziruk.

I'd pick Martinez to defeat Sturm @160 but it would be far from the mismatch Martinez - Dzinziruk was.

Is Pavlik really better than Dzinziruk?