Has Haye more chances vs Wladimir than Adamek has vs Vitali?

[hweightblogger]

I think it's pretty obvious that Adamek would stand less of a chance against either Klitschko compared to Haye

More people survived against Vitali than against Wlad.

[Silencers]

More people survived against Vitali than against Wlad.

What does that mean? Surviving doesn't always mean you have more chances at winning.

[SweetSciencePHD]

Adamek cannot KO Vitali, and Haye cannot out box the skillful Wlad for a decision.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Adamek is an inflated cruiserweight going against a man who is just too big for him, it's too tall of a mountain for him to climb. The power isn't there for Adamek, and even if his speed is there, Vitali has an iron chin to go with his Dr. Iron Fist. Can Adamek take the kind of punishment that will inevitably deal to him either? His best chance it making Vitali miss and using his speed to out-point Vitali, that is if he can take what does land.

Wladimir I am a little worried about. I think Haye's chances are better than some of us would like to admit, me first and foremost. It is important that we never forget that Wladimir does not have the chin his brother does. He has been floored more than enough to make you just a little bit nervous here, that he will run into a big punch from Haye and that will turn the fight around in favor of Haye. Corrie Sanders anyone? Lamon Brewster? Samuel Peter? Maybe I am just being paranoid but this is boxing and anything can happen. Nonetheless a betting man has to think that Haye is still outmatched, his chances may be better than Adameks, but both fighers seem to have pretty bleak odds of victory over either Klitschko.

[Bring It On]

Vitali/Adamek - 92/8
Wlad/Haye - 57/43

[Bring It On]

More people survived against Vitali than against Wlad.

Vitali has a higher KO%.

[hweightblogger]

Vitali has a higher KO%.

1) Barely
2) Wlad has a higher unique KOratio (= how many of your opponents did you KO)
3) Wlad has more fights thus naturally his KOratio will be lower. Vitali has now 43 fights and Wlad in his first 43 fights had a higher KOratio than Vitali.
4) "Rounds between KOs" is a better indicator of "fist power" than KOratio. And Wlad is more powerful (= needs less rounds) than Vitali.

[Bring It On]

1) Barely
2) Wlad has a higher unique KOratio (= how many of your opponents did you KO)
3) Wlad has more fights thus naturally his KOratio will be lower. Vitali has now 43 fights and Wlad in his first 43 fights had a higher KOratio than Vitali.

Vitali has ~88,5%, Wladimir ~84,5% - that's a fairly big difference.

After for example 27 fights Vitali had a higher KO%!!!!!!!!!!

You can twist the facts however you want to, doesn't change the fact that Vitali has a higher KO%.

Let me try and twist them a little more for you:

Yo, bro! Only a fighters last three fights count yo! Vitali 33,3% and Wlad 100%!!111one

[hweightblogger]

Vitali has ~88,5%, Wladimir ~84,5% - that's a fairly big difference.

1) It's not a big difference.
2) You include WDQs and accidental headbutt fights which drop the KOratio although it's not the fighters fault.

After for example 27 fights Vitali had a higher KO%!!!!!!!!!!

After 27 fights? Why 27 fights? What is this arbitrary number?

You can twist the facts however you want to, doesn't change the fact that Vitali has a higher KO%.

I didn't twist any facts. It's obvious that someone with 1 KO in 1 fight has a 100% KOratio and the more fights you have the lower your KOratio will be. And Vitali has now 43 fights and Wlad 58 has now fights thus it's NATURAL to have a lower KOratio. But when you compare Wlad's first 43 fights to Vitali's then Wlad has a higher KOratio.

HOWEVER, their KOratios differ only marginally thus the differences are not significant.

[Bring It On]

I didn't twist any facts.

Yes, you did. Two fighter's KO% is compared based upon their entire careers. Not 27 fights, not 43 fights or whatever. All their fights.

[hweightblogger]

Yes, you did. Two fighter's KO% is compared based upon their entire careers. Not 27 fights, not 43 fights or whatever. All their fights.

Exactly. That's why I compared their WHOLE careers (which resulted in Vit's KOratio being slightly higher) and I compared Vit's WHOLE career (43 fights) to Wlad's first 43 fights (which resulted in Wlad's KOratio being slightly higher).

Moreover I compared different KOratios

• KOs/fights (Vit leads)
• KOs/uniques (Wlad leads)

and the KOspeed ("average round between KOs") (Wlad is slightly better).

While you merely checked Boxrec which ridiculously even includes NCs in the calculation.

And the end result is that both Klitschkos have approximately the same KOperformance and the differences are marginal.

Thus I would not use the KOratio as an advantage for Vitali (nor for Wlad) because they performed careerwise nearly the same. When you compare the last 5 fights (or the last 10) then Wlad has performed better and such RECENT KOperformance is more meaningful than "career KOratio which includes KOs 13+ years ago.