better wins....

[puga]

Seems to me like U have a clear biased & hidden agenda here,that's why U put when they fought them in there.But Martinez beat Pavlik & the Punisher back to back,clearly better in that consideration.So being that Martinez beat the lineal middleweight champ & the Punisher in a row,his wins are clearly better.

if my agenda was hidden, i would'nt have put " when they fought them" in the options...the purpose of this thraed is transparent as they come....nothing biased about it either.....

[Heeb]

I give Martinez the edge due to the fact he did it back to back.

[BigStereotype]

Pavlik is a B win, Williams an A win.

Darchinyan and Montiel are both A wins. Darchinyan was this rampaging monster when Donaire fought him. He had never been beat, never been down and was KTFO'ing everyone. Donaire flipped that script right quick and everyone knows about the Montiel win. And don't discount Sidorenko. Good fighter, past his prime but still a good fighter. And he got absolutely obliterated.

[Rome-By-Ko]

This is pretty equal giving the time they fought umm,Pav a MW Champ,Pwilly top of the P4P list ranking and rank in three div..Montiel was a very big win..Montiel is a three div Champ a P4P ranked fighter,and a hard nose muthafoker..Chinny was a Raging Bull and I really thought he would be the next big thing..But I'm gonna call this even..

[puga]

when nontio fought them

darch= was the ibf and ibo champion whos never lost a fight and was running thru everybody, he was the best at 112

montiel= 3 div campiuon has'nt lost in a fight since 2006..never lost in his 13 fights

when sergio fought pavlik and pwill

pavlik= wbo, wbc lineal, champion , lost 1 out of his last 3 fights....

pwill = i div weight cahmpion , i div interim champion and lost 1 out of his 7 fights....

[Rome-By-Ko]

Pavlik is a B win, Williams an A win.

Darchinyan and Montiel are both A wins. Darchinyan was this rampaging monster when Donaire fought him. He had never been beat, never been down and was KTFO'ing everyone. Donaire flipped that script right quick and everyone knows about the Montiel win. And don't discount Sidorenko. Good fighter, past his prime but still a good fighter. And he got absolutely obliterated.

Pav was the MW Champ and former P4P fighter,his only lost was to B-HOP a legend..I believe it's pretty even..

[puga]

Pavlik is a B win, Williams an A win.

Darchinyan and Montiel are both A wins. Darchinyan was this rampaging monster when Donaire fought him. He had never been beat, never been down and was KTFO'ing everyone. Donaire flipped that script right quick and everyone knows about the Montiel win. And don't discount Sidorenko. Good fighter, past his prime but still a good fighter. And he got absolutely obliterated.

i think this is the simpliest way to explain it....

[johncods]

Vic-Montiel. People forget how Vic was KOing everyone on his path till Donaire starched him.

Montiel was on a tear too knocking out hasegawa several fights ago.

[puga]

Pav was the MW Champ and former P4P fighter,his only lost was to B-HOP a legend..I believe it's pretty even..

yea but pavlik was coming off a loss to bhop prior to lossing to martinez.....he was 2 - 1 in his last fights.....add to the fact that , that lost was'nt compettive either , he got outclassed by an old guy....**** , an old roy jones perfromed better vs bhop than pavlik did...

[Swag Hustla]

Donaire had the better wins.

Williams and Pavlik were great wins for Martinez, but Darchinyan was undefeated while Montiel was on a five year win streak, and both looked very dominant against previous opposition leading up to the Donaire fight.

But the fact that there is almost a 4 year gap Donaire's two biggest wins and Martinez is on a streak with those two wins makes me rank Martinez higher p4p at the moment. One more big win perhaps against Moreno or Agbeko/Mares would easily put Donaire higher in my opinion.