Would the klitchko's last in the 70s?

[John L Sullivan]

The 70s had great HWs!

knowing the competition from the 70s HWs, would the klitschko's be on top and have the belts they got?


Who would they match up with? who would put a good whoopin on them? Who would call them out to fight?

Ali was a disgusting racist. I think either brother would have punished him for that.

[CumulousClouds]

theyd be top heavy weights but wouldnt run the division like they do now

vitali would be more successful.....a match up like wlad versus shavers would be criminal..wlad chin would get shattered

Larry what fighters do you got Knocking Out any brother?

[Walt Liquor]

Dimitrienko would have a height and weight advantage over Ali, it doesn't mean its high praise that anyone would favor Ali over him. What suggests to you that Ali would have a problem with Vit height? They possess roughly the same reach, with Alis jab being faster and better and more proven against far greater competition, how do you think Vits weight will affect the fight? It should be noted that height isn't always an advantage and it doesn't shout out to me as an advantage in this match-up, don't forget that Ali is by far the more athletic and fast of the two, which are significant advantages. Let's not forget that Vitali was much bigger than Byrd and was fanning a lot of air against him and then outright quit.

So he was winning a fight before getting stopped by an old, fat, unmotivated ATG HW, and if one fight is a basis for your claim, thats a very weak claim IMO.

He doesn't need to use energy against the poor crop of undisciplined burger boys he faces, he is no greater than someone like Ricky Hatton. It's easy to appear to have "high ring IQ" against poor opposition.

Sure the K bros would be contenders but they'd never be champions, they would both get badly beaten and likely stopped with the additional 3 rounds.

what is your impression that my claim is? that vit would beat ali?


and as far as our first sentence, just stop...... yea I know and michael grant and every other tall guy. difference is vit fights tall and is 20x the fighter those guys are

anyway. did you not see my first post where I said vit wouldn't be able to find ali??????? WTF?????????? who the *** are you telling all that about who is the more athletic and skilled fighter when I already said or implied the same thing in this thread???

i had vit ahead on points with byrd and I believe him that he was of the mindset that you could quit if you have an injury. he isn't of that mindset anymore (OBVIOUSLY), and if you still believe vit is a quitter, I can't talk to you because you're no better than these other hate spewing ****roach posters

just so we can get this straight:

i think ali beats vit and I would favor him

i think vit's a tough out for any hw in history.

you are saying unequivocably vit would NEVER beat spinks, foreman, ali, norton, or john tate.


lulz at the ******ed hatton comparison. when's the last time vit lost a round? hatton almost got beat by lazcano and plenty other of the "burger boys" he fought. i didn't realize you were an irrational klitschko hate monger.

[RubenSonny]

what is your impression that my claim is? that vit would beat ali?


and as far as our first sentence, just stop...... yea I know and michael grant and every other tall guy. difference is vit fights tall and is 20x the fighter those guys are

anyway. did you not see my first post where I said vit wouldn't be able to find ali??????? WTF?????????? who the *** are you telling all that about who is the more athletic and skilled fighter when I already said or implied the same thing in this thread???

i had vit ahead on points with byrd and I believe him that he was of the mindset that you could quit if you have an injury. he isn't of that mindset anymore (OBVIOUSLY), and if you still believe vit is a quitter, I can't talk to you because you're no better than these other hate spewing ****roach posters

just so we can get this straight:

i think ali beats vit and I would favor him

i think vit's a tough out for any hw in history.

you are saying unequivocably vit would NEVER beat spinks, foreman, ali, norton, or john tate.


lulz at the ******ed hatton comparison. when's the last time vit lost a round? hatton almost got beat by lazcano and plenty other of the "burger boys" he fought. i didn't realize you were an irrational klitschko hate monger.

I realise you pick Ali some of it was a general reply, but Vit has never beaten anyone of note, Vits comp are mostly out of shape and flabby atleast Hatton both only beat contenders but Hatton had better comp, and lost to better comp. Your the same guy that *****es about Floyds comp and being overrated in fantasy fights (and theres truth to that claim) but when it comes to a guy who has never beat anyone of note (his best win is between Sanders and Arreola ffs) and apart from 2 guys has the most sorry ass competition, he'd give the GOAT HW a good fight? That sounds a tad hypocritical to me. I too had Vitali slightly up on the against Byrd but he was certainly having problems with him and missing a lot, he quit against him in his prime and thats all that says a lot. I admit I slipped on the Spinks bit, and I agree both brothers would beat him prime for prime but I just assumed we were speaking of Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton my bad on that one, but Tate was never champion just like Vitali. For the record I'm not a Klit-hater I respect Wlad, hes mostly beat the best (Chambers, Chagaev, Byrd etc) Ch in a poor division and I think he'd do better than Ali and is the real champion, Vitali on the other hand had one good but highly overrated showing against a past prime LL and did nothing relevant after, his skills are pretty amateurish and he looks sloppy at times.

[hweightblogger]

What suggests to you that Ali would have a problem with Vit height? They possess roughly the same reach, with Alis jab being faster and better and more proven against far greater competition

What are you smoking? Clay's jab is one of the weakest of all world champions ("like a butterfly"). Clay's punches are nothing but wind makers ("shoe shine combos").

When Shavers (who fought against Holmes and the greatest Clay) compared them both he said:

Interviewer: “You fought Muhammad Ali the year before and you told us earlier: ‘No comparison between the jab of Larry Holmes and Muhammed Ali’”

Earnie Shavers: “Larry’s left hand is like most guys right hand. Larry had THE jab. There’s no comparison to Muhammed Ali. Muhammed Ali had a flicking jab. No power. Larry has a real powerful jab like a right hand. None, no comparison.”

And Larry Holmes is one of the punch-weaker champs HIMSELF.

Now, I usually don't care what the fighters say, but since Clay's featherfistedness is clearly visible from his record, Shavers is correct.

Ali is by far the more athletic and fast of the two, which are significant advantages.

1) Ali is less athletic than Vitali
2) You have no proof that athleticism gives you any advantages at heavyweight boxing.

[SirTomJones]

Vitali would do okay

[hweightblogger]

You guys are jokes.
Joe Frazier and Ali featherfisted?

Frazier is a featherfisted heavyweight: KOratio 44% against 200+ lbs opponents. Chris Byrd has 46%.

In fact, when you analyze all of the 78 heavyweight world champs that lived to date it turns out that Joe Frazier is bottom #8 of featherfistedness.

The BOTTOM featherfists (of all world champs to date) ("Rounds needed per KO in real heavyweight fights") are:
1) Ernie Terrell
3) Muhammad Ali
5) Leon Spinks
8) Joe Frazier

Please note that Frazier is actually worse than bottom-8 because I included pre-NBA world champs and IBO champs in the calculations. Without these Frazier would be bottom-5.

AND WHAT DO YOU EXPECT when 4 of the most featherfisted featherfists MEET IN THE RING?

Ali vs Terrell UD15
Ali vs Frazier RTD14
Ali vs Frazier UD12
Ali vs Frazier UD15
Ali vs Leon Spinks UD15
Ali vs Leon Spinks SD15

Voila. Windmakers, windmakers, shoe shine combos but no real KOs.

A terrible era for heavyweight fans.

At the very top are the Klitschkos, thus when you talk about Klitschko vs Ali you talk about one of the STRONGEST champs meeting one of the WEAKEST champs.

[hweightblogger]

Heres Ali's career in a nutshell, he was a semi ******ed, good fighter who was managed amazingly.

Semi-******ed is not the correct term. The correct term is "borderline ******ation" based on Clay's extremely low IQ of 78. That's why the army refused to draft him at first.

[T.Horton]

He not only won by sheer strength. He won mainly by OUTWEIGHING (as opposed to Wlad) his opponents. He wouldn't outweigh Wlad though. Prime Foreman (who boxed at 215 lbs, median weight 217 lbs) would be one of the lightest opponents Wlad has ever faced.

Prime Foreman would be bottom-3 lightest opponent Vitali ever faced.

knn chick, why do you keep coming back if nobody wants you here?

[hweightblogger]

knn chick, why do you keep coming back if nobody wants you here?

Because I still hope that pro-Clay'ers deliver ONE SINGLE good argument for Clay. It's usually the pro-Klitschko group that analyzes records, resumes and single performances.

All Clay'ers do is paste their favorite smilies or insult, just like you did in your response.