Would the klitchko's last in the 70s?

[TOBYLEE1]

Make the championship bouts 15 rounds again to see if you would have these massive HW you see today. The K bros are skilled and in a even level they would be competitive in any era

[sunny31]

While I would favor a 67 Ali over pretty much (if not) everyone, we're talking the 70s here, where he arguably lost 3 fights with Ken Norton. Frazier was fading fast the second two fights and while the Foreman fight was impressive, I don't believe that version of Ali was nearly as unbeatable.

The short answer is they would last, losing to the likes of Foreman, Frazier and Ali (and maybe Norton,) but they might eke out a win (or two) against one or more of those and since both brothers have come back from devastating losses, I think they'd stick around to give us some interesting matchups.

Before I disagree with you I would like to make it clear that I think 1 or 2 names aside Wladmir is as talented as any heavyweight in history, but he would struggle to pick up a win against any of those guys, in comparison to the greats you mention he is soft like baby ****, those guys were hard and tough to go with their ability. Some of you need to get a grip wlad has literally never been in the ring with a world class fighter, he shouldn't even be in the argument with the guys mentioned in this thread. Not yet anyway

[RubenSonny]

I think it's giving Ali pretty high praise that I would favor him over an athletic guy with like 4 inches and 30-50 lbs on him. I'd say that's a pretty serious outclassing when a dude has that type of height, reach, and weight advantage on you.

as far as vit showing ring smarts, see the arreola fight as the most recent time I was impressed with his ring smarts. the guy has developed his style to adjust and use as little energy as possible while almost never losing a round. granted his comp ****** balls as of late, but his showing against lennox proved to me he's a tough out for any hw in history (i still favor NOX over him prime for prime). I also think the confidence he's fought with since the lennonx fight bodes well for him vs anyone ever.

Dimitrienko would have a height and weight advantage over Ali, it doesn't mean its high praise that anyone would favor Ali over him. What suggests to you that Ali would have a problem with Vit height? They possess roughly the same reach, with Alis jab being faster and better and more proven against far greater competition, how do you think Vits weight will affect the fight? It should be noted that height isn't always an advantage and it doesn't shout out to me as an advantage in this match-up, don't forget that Ali is by far the more athletic and fast of the two, which are significant advantages. Let's not forget that Vitali was much bigger than Byrd and was fanning a lot of air against him and then outright quit.

So he was winning a fight before getting stopped by an old, fat, unmotivated ATG HW, and if one fight is a basis for your claim, thats a very weak claim IMO.

He doesn't need to use energy against the poor crop of undisciplined burger boys he faces, he is no greater than someone like Ricky Hatton. It's easy to appear to have "high ring IQ" against poor opposition.

Sure the K bros would be contenders but they'd never be champions, they would both get badly beaten and likely stopped with the additional 3 rounds.

[Die Antwoord]

Klitchos would be KO'd easily in > 6 rounds in any other era.

You are an idiot simple as that.

Yep...Vitali...a man who has never been knocked down would be KO'ed easily in any other era.

Ali took 15 rounds with Chuck Wepner

In fact lets just go through Ali's career, using the moron a few posts above you's theory of if A went the distance with B, and B was knocked out by C, that C would beat A.

In 1961 Ali went the distance with Alonzo Johnson a guy who Cleveland Williams Ko'ed in 1 round. Todd Herring and Eddie Machen also KO'ed this 189 pounder that went the distance with 1961 Ali, proving that Ali was a featherfisted clown in 1961.

1963 Ali went the distance and robbed Doug Jones and cowardly refused to rematch him. 171 pound Harold Johnson beat him in a shut out 8 months earlier. Again, Ali ******, 171 Harold Johnson would easily have beat him.

1967 "Prime" Ali couldnt KO a past prime 6'6 fighter who lost 3 times that year alone, who was knocked out in his prime early, Ali's power did little to the taller fighter. Prime Cleveland Williams dispatched him easily, proving that if Ali hadnt fought a crippled version of Cleveland Williams, he would have easily been beat.

1971 Ali couldnt knock out a shot, 30 lbs over weight, Buster Mathis, prime Joe Frazier did this, proving that had Ali not cowardly left boxing in 67, and fought a prime Joe Frazier, he would have been beat easily.


1973 Ali couldnt ko Rudi Lubbers, a bum who was coming off of a loss and weighed 196 lbs.

1975 Ali went 15 rounds to beat Chuck Wepner, a guy who in his prime was KO'ed in 5 by 195 lbs Jerry Judge, what a joke Ali was, Jerry Judge would have ****d him in the ring.

1976 robbed Jimmy Young, a guy who had a draw a year before with a guy named Billy Aird and had lost to Randy Neuman much more convincingly, these two easily would have crushed Ali.

After 1976 Ali couldnt knock out or really beat anybody. The guy was done at 34 years old and had a 4 year lay off. So a fighting age of 30.

Heres Ali's career in a nutshell, he was a semi ******ed, good fighter who was managed amazingly. His management admits this openly, that they chose fighters based on where they were in their careers. He also had the Nation of Islam buying people off and threatening people and Dundee cheating any chance he had.

[-The Game-]

In the ring in his fights, what makes Ali so great? I have never been overly impressed with him. I see a real good fighter with his hands and reflexes but the way ppl talk about him like he was some unbeatable monster.

So considering the opposition he fought, and won, you are not overly impressed with Ali...yet you marvel on about the Klitscko as if they have beaten the same level of fighters that Ali has.....

You dont have to like Ali, or be impressed with how he fights....but his resume and the BIG fights he was involved (which neither Klit has been involved in and won yet) in makes him a ATG....

[Left Hook Tua]

theyd be top heavy weights but wouldnt run the division like they do now

vitali would be more successful.....a match up like wlad versus shavers would be criminal..wlad chin would get shattered

or shavers' would.

shavers didn't have the best of chins either.

plus shavers would cut easily and he didn't have the best stamina.

[sunny31]

You are an idiot simple as that.

Yep...Vitali...a man who has never been knocked down would be KO'ed easily in any other era.

Ali took 15 rounds with Chuck Wepner

In fact lets just go through Ali's career, using the moron a few posts above you's theory of if A went the distance with B, and B was knocked out by C, that C would beat A.

In 1961 Ali went the distance with Alonzo Johnson a guy who Cleveland Williams Ko'ed in 1 round. Todd Herring and Eddie Machen also KO'ed this 189 pounder that went the distance with 1961 Ali, proving that Ali was a featherfisted clown in 1961.

1963 Ali went the distance and robbed Doug Jones and cowardly refused to rematch him. 171 pound Harold Johnson beat him in a shut out 8 months earlier. Again, Ali ******, 171 Harold Johnson would easily have beat him.

1967 "Prime" Ali couldnt KO a past prime 6'6 fighter who lost 3 times that year alone, who was knocked out in his prime early, Ali's power did little to the taller fighter. Prime Cleveland Williams dispatched him easily, proving that if Ali hadnt fought a crippled version of Cleveland Williams, he would have easily been beat.

1971 Ali couldnt knock out a shot, 30 lbs over weight, Buster Mathis, prime Joe Frazier did this, proving that had Ali not cowardly left boxing in 67, and fought a prime Joe Frazier, he would have been beat easily.


1973 Ali couldnt ko Rudi Lubbers, a bum who was coming off of a loss and weighed 196 lbs.

1975 Ali went 15 rounds to beat Chuck Wepner, a guy who in his prime was KO'ed in 5 by 195 lbs Jerry Judge, what a joke Ali was, Jerry Judge would have ****d him in the ring.

1976 robbed Jimmy Young, a guy who had a draw a year before with a guy named Billy Aird and had lost to Randy Neuman much more convincingly, these two easily would have crushed Ali.

After 1976 Ali couldnt knock out or really beat anybody. The guy was done at 34 years old and had a 4 year lay off. So a fighting age of 30.

Heres Ali's career in a nutshell, he was a semi ******ed, good fighter who was managed amazingly. His management admits this openly, that they chose fighters based on where they were in their careers. He also had the Nation of Islam buying people off and threatening people and Dundee cheating any chance he had.

pah ha ha ha...you idiot I can't believe you wasted so much time writing such a pile of garbage.

[John L Sullivan]

The 70s had great HWs!

knowing the competition from the 70s HWs, would the klitschko's be on top and have the belts they got?


Who would they match up with? who would put a good whoopin on them? Who would call them out to fight?

I think there is a very good possibilty that they would have dominated. Everybody seems to take the PC approach but they are very good.

[Rick Grimes]

The Klitschko fans are delusional, Vitali beats Ali?

[sunny31]

I never realised until recently and its so obvious how many alts some of these klistchko fans make...it is literally the saddest thing I think I have seen. What a pathetic bunch of parasites.