Would the klitchko's last in the 70s?

[pistol whip]

The biggest advantage that Wlad and Vitali have over all their opponents is their sheer size! They are huge even in todays supersized heavyweight division imagine if they fought in the 70's when the biggest guys was maybe 6ft 3 215 pounds!

I think they destroy everyone from the 70's and I'm not even a fan of either one of these guys.

[Spray_resistant]

yes, because being heavy automatically makes you hit harder and take a punch better. just like how Buster Douglas' chin became amazingly better after putting on 15lbs, and how Valuev is a huge puncher with his 100lb weight advantage.

who do you think has more KO power? Valuev or Tyson? Valuev weighs 100lbs more than Tyson, after all...
my money is on Valuev.

So they why have weight classes at all if bigger guys generally don't hit harder or take better punches?

[hweightblogger]

the Bonavena KO was contested? Bonavena dropped like a rock and Ali was teeing off on him.

From Wikipedia:

The ending was controversial, as Ali stood over Bonavena as he was getting up, never going to a neutral corner for any of the knockdowns, which allowed him to quickly knockdown Bonavena twice more and automatically end the fight under the three knockdown rule.

Happy?

and the Foreman KO doesnt count because 'it happened in the rain forst during the rain season'.
my head wants to explode.

The Foreman KO counts but is inconclusive. HOWEVER this is a completely different topic worth 2 or more threads of its own. Let's just say that Foreman is no BSer and claims he has been poisoned and it took him years to get his health back.

so lets see...KOing Julius Long is more impressive than KOing, say a former LHW, Holyfield, right?

Julius Long is a bum (15-15-0-1). Don't compare Long to Evan Fields.

while were at it, Wladimir's win over Byrd doesnt mean anything, even though its one of(if not his best) win...I mean Byrd was a puny 214lber. Wlads win over the ****ty Paea Wolffgram was much better!

Wrong. The WIN counts more. But the KOing counts less.

Wait, what about an old shot Larry Holmes beating Ray Mercer at 42 years old more impressively than Lennox Lewis or Holyfield did? No, doesnt matter! he ******, wouldnt have lasted with modern HWs!

Does this have anything to do with this topic?

oh, but Foreman became the lineal champ at 45, and beat a future 2000 champ at 48...nope! he sucks! he wouldnt have beaten anyone in todays division!

Foreman is ATG. Foreman would do well in any era.

[hweightblogger]

170lbs? oh, very interesting, it keeps dropping

Don't invent stuff.

You mentioned 190 lbs and that was the time when cruiserweight was defined as 175-190 lbs. So I don't know what you complain about. Moreover Clay/Frazier/Liston all KOed 170+ guys and by your standard this would be some kind of proof of how these guys could **** while in my view KOing 170+ lbs guys is no proof whatsoever how they would fare in nowadays division where the average is 225+ lbs.

who hits harder...Tyson or Valuev...I mean ****, Valuev weighs 100lbs more than him...Even 60lbs more than Wladimir...thats a way bigger jump than 190lbs to 220lbs...
VALUEV HITS HARDER THAN BOTH!

Don't fabulate. Where did I claim that Valuev hits harder than Tyson? I claimed that the heavier a guy gets the harder it is to KO him as IS CLEARLY VISIBLE when you analyze records.

The Clay vs 175-184lbs opponent: 100% KOratio
The Clay vs 185-199lbs opponent: 75% KOratio
The Clay vs 200-214lbs opponent: 45% KOratio
The Clay vs 215+ opponent: 33% KOratio
The Clay (215+) vs 215+ opponent: 27% KOratio


Frazier vs 175-184lbs opponent: 100% KOratio
Frazier vs 185-199lbs opponent: 100% KOratio
Frazier vs 200-214lbs opponent: 55% KOratio
Frazier vs 215+ opponent: 45% KOratio
Frazier (215+) vs 215+ opponent: 25% KOratio

Get over it. Clay's/Frazier's KOpower would be nonexistent in modern heavyweight divisions.

[Schmerzen]

really? u post a picture of a teenage ali to prove your point?

here, i can do that too:




ali skipping rope before the second liston fight:

[cklmaced]

From Wikipedia:

The ending was controversial, as Ali stood over Bonavena as he was getting up, never going to a neutral corner for any of the knockdowns, which allowed him to quickly knockdown Bonavena twice more and automatically end the fight under the three knockdown rule.

Happy?


The Foreman KO counts but is inconclusive. HOWEVER this is a completely different topic worth 2 or more thread of their own.


Julius Long is a bum (15-15-0-1). Don't compare Long to Evan Fields.


Wrong. The WIN counts more. But the KOing counts less.


Does this have anything to do with this topic?


Foreman is ATG. Foreman would do well in any era.

The fact that you use wikipedia to try prove your point pretty much deads your arguement. Your random stats prove nothing Rivers has better stats then Roesthlisberger but who will be remembered more. You are an idiot who tries defend a clearly wrong point of view.

[Spray_resistant]

Maybe because they were actually in shape, instead of the fat blobs we have today.

at weight meaning you have a better chin. it clearly doesn't. Do you think Wlad has a better chin than Tyson?

Speaking of which, Do you think valuev hits harder than Tyson?

These are just some of many examples.

He very well could have a better chin than Tyson, I have doubts that Holy could ko Wlad.

As for Vaulev/Tyson/power thing......it really shows how far you guys are reaching going to some extreme example to make the K-bros look bad.

I can easily do that watch, FWs hit harder than WWs because Ponce de leon probably hits harder than Paulie Malinaggi.

[BigStereotype]

They would certainly be notable contenders but I can't imagine either one of them being a champion. Foreman would put Wlad out for like three weeks the first time he landed on the chin and I don't think Vitali has the skill to hang with Ali, Frazier or Foreman.

[cklmaced]

He very well could have a better chin than Tyson, I have doubts that Holy could ko Wlad.

As for Vaulev/Tyson/power thing......it really shows how far you guys are reaching going to some extreme example to make the K-bros look bad.

I can easily do that watch, FWs hit harder than WWs because Ponce de leon probably hits harder than Paulie Malinaggi.

Actually its the Klit fans who are using ****** arguements to try say he's better than Ali. Just think about how ****** that sounds, I honestly can't see how anybody can think that.

[Steak]

From Wikipedia:

The ending was controversial, as Ali stood over Bonavena as he was getting up, never going to a neutral corner for any of the knockdowns, which allowed him to quickly knockdown Bonavena twice more and automatically end the fight under the three knockdown rule.

Happy?


The Foreman KO counts but is inconclusive. HOWEVER this is a completely different topic worth 2 or more thread of their own.


Julius Long is a bum (15-15-0-1). Don't compare Long to Evan Fields.


Wrong. The WIN counts more. But the KOing counts less.


Does this have anything to do with this topic?


Foreman is ATG. Foreman would do well in any era.

the controversy was that Ali didnt listen to the rules. The KO was happening one way or another after that huge left hand.

so wait...are you saying actual ability>size...so wait....that means...YES! being skilled>size! so being 10lbs lighter when youre already large does not make you **** automatically, because skill and other physical gifts are more important than size!!!! amazing!!!
you said 'being larger makes you harder to KO'. yet a much larger Long is far easier to KO than Holyfield. poof, there goes your argument! 'real heavyweight KOs' goes flying out the window, since a 300lb guy is much easier to KO than an under 210lb guy!

and me mentioning Holmes and Foreman is extremely relevant. you said 'the 70s was a piss era'. you thought it was crap.
yet...old man versions of both Holmes and Foreman have stood the test of time and still did quite well in the 90s. so if 40+ year old version of them could make it in the 90s, most certainly their prime versions would have done well there too. therefor, those 70s fighter could most definitely have held their own in todays division.

I mean, you have respect for Lewis, right? then youre going to have to have respect for Holmes, since even past 40 years old and arguably shot he still easily beat a guy that gave Lewis hell. he is a 70s fighter. you now have respect for 70s fighters.(at least some of them)