Comments Thread For: Dzinziruk: There is Nothing Special About Sergio Martinez

[Ravens Fan]

I agree. I'd love to know what dude considers a good win. Must only be 1-2 good wins a year in boxing.

I assume you were talking about what I said and when did I say that Sergio's wins were not good? As I have stated I just don't think he is as great as you make him out to be, at least not yet. What is so hard to understand about that? And if it seems hard to understand I will try to explain.

Sergio lost to Williams, but I actually thought he won the first one but it was close but not that close. And then he knocks Williams out, and as I have stated already Williams is way way way overrated in my book. He is 2-2 in title fights and lost to a fighter that is little more then a club fighter. Yet somehow many fans believes this equated to greatness, and I am not sure why? Because he is far from a great a fighter nor do I believe he ever will be. And as far as Pavlik is concerned, and I am a big fan, I believe he is very limited straight forward kind of fighter that went far on the skills that he has. But he is still not close to being a great fighter.

I also could not count how many times I heard fans saying how bad Pavlik has been since the Hopkins fight. Because most fans were of the opinion that he fought nothing but soft competition since Taylor, minus Hopkins and before Sergio that is. And just in the last few days I have read many fans claiming Pavlik will get murdered at 168. So, I have to ask how does Sergio become great by beating an overrated fighter and a fighter who many believe will get murdered at 168? I am just asking and if you can answer that question I'm listening.

In closing I will say that I do in fact believe that Sergio's wins were good wins and he looked good winning. But, I also remember a few years back when a fighter beat a 40-1 all time great favorite. Sure it was good win, no really it was a great win, but it sure as hell did not make Buster Douglas into a great fighter. And that is just an example because I do believe Sergio has the skills to be a great fighter. However, as someone else stated I just think it is a little premature to label him a great fighter and they should not cast his bust for the Hall of Fame just yet.

[GatecrasherUA]

He already did that somewhere else.

I plan to study the details of Sergio’s weakness in more detail, but right now I can tell that he’s slow, tightened, clumsy and rigid … he doesn’t have the amateur background that I have.

Lol that's because that idiot Potapov messed up translation. I'm pretty sure that Dzinziruk is fully aware how good Martinez is.

[Walt Liquor]

I assume you were talking about what I said and when did I say that Sergio's wins were not good? As I have stated I just don't think he is as great as you make him out to be, at least not yet. What is so hard to understand about that? And if it seems hard to understand I will try to explain.

Sergio lost to Williams, but I actually thought he won the first one but it was close but not that close. And then he knocks Williams out, and as I have stated already Williams is way way way overrated in my book. He is 2-2 in title fights and lost to a fighter that is little more then a club fighter. Yet somehow many fans believes this equated to greatness, and I am not sure why? Because he is far from a great a fighter nor do I believe he ever will be. And as far as Pavlik is concerned, and I am a big fan, I believe he is very limited straight forward kind of fighter that went far on the skills that he has. But he is still not close to being a great fighter.

I also could not count how many times I heard fans saying how bad Pavlik has been since the Hopkins fight. Because most fans were of the opinion that he fought nothing but soft competition since Taylor, minus Hopkins and before Sergio that is. And just in the last few days I have read many fans claiming Pavlik will get murdered at 168. So, I have to ask how does Sergio become great by beating an overrated fighter and a fighter who many believe will get murdered at 168? I am just asking and if you can answer that question I'm listening.

In closing I will say that I do in fact believe that Sergio's wins were good wins and he looked good winning. But, I also remember a few years back when a fighter beat a 40-1 all time great favorite. Sure it was good win, no really it was a great win, but it sure as hell did not make Buster Douglas into a great fighter. And that is just an example because I do believe Sergio has the skills to be a great fighter. However, as someone else stated I just think it is a little premature to label him a great fighter and they should not cast his bust for the Hall of Fame just yet.

I also believe that Sergio is definitely not great yet (as I posted). He's the hottest fighter in boxing though.

Pwil has won 3 titles, Marg's title, Quintana's title and Verno Phillips title. Pwill beat Margs when Margs was tearing through WW and had about 8 defenses of his title under his belt.
He avenged his loss to the journeyman by first round blast out. Plenty guys have lost to lesser fighters- avenging it is what matters. Their first fight (pwill and sergio)was pretty much considered a classic. I guess you see what pretty much no decent boxing writer or analyst does in Pwill though as him being way way way overrated. i'd hate to hear what you think about Margs and Winky if PWilly is way way way overrated. I rarely heard any decent poster call him literally a great fighter, but he deserved inclusion in the PFP rankings after his win over Sergio to me.

Pavlik was undisputed MW champion, fully legit MW champion of the world. Forget what the average NSB ****roach thinks. Pavlik beat JT 2x and the Sergio fight was close.

Cintron was a old fashioned schooling and he should have gotten 2 wins for that night.

I never said Sergio was great, but I do think you hate on his wins WAAAAAY too much.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Naw Sergios a good fighter. I been waiting to see him against a guy who can box for a while. Should be interesting.

[Ravens Fan]

I also believe that Sergio is definitely not great yet (as I posted). He's the hottest fighter in boxing though.

Pwil has won 3 titles, Marg's title, Quintana's title and Verno Phillips title. Pwill beat Margs when Margs was tearing through WW and had about 8 defenses of his title under his belt.
He avenged his loss to the journeyman by first round blast out. Plenty guys have lost to lesser fighters- avenging it is what matters. Their first fight (pwill and sergio)was pretty much considered a classic. I guess you see what pretty much no decent boxing writer or analyst does in Pwill though as him being way way way overrated. i'd hate to hear what you think about Margs and Winky if PWilly is way way way overrated. I rarely heard any decent poster call him literally a great fighter, but he deserved inclusion in the PFP rankings after his win over Sergio to me.

Pavlik was undisputed MW champion, fully legit MW champion of the world. Forget what the average NSB ****roach thinks. Pavlik beat JT 2x and the Sergio fight was close.

Cintron was a old fashioned schooling and he should have gotten 2 wins for that night.

I never said Sergio was great, but I do think you hate on his wins WAAAAAY too much.

I did not say you personally claimed he was great but way to many have already claimed his greatness. And you got me figured wrong because I like Sergio and since he knocked out Paul Williams I am one of his biggest fans. But I will claim and will not deny that I am a 100% Williams hater. And I am not a boxing judge or even a writer so I don't have to be open minded or unbiased in my opinion. And if you want to count that BS interim title he won against a pushing 40 Wright you are free to do so. But I don't think there are many out there that feel as if that was a legit title to include myself. And yes Wright was a good fighter in his day. But he was pushing 40 years old and had only fought once in almost three years before the Williams fight, and that was a lose to Hopkins more then a year and half before he fought Williams. And yes Williams is a two time champion with exactly four title fights and he has yet to dominate any weight divisions and if that counts as greatness. Well, I just don't see it.

As far as the Margs fight there many boxing writers that thought that Margs had actually beat Williams, and there is a list that states that. And I personally believe that there is a big question mark when it comes to Margarito's whole career. And simply put I believe he should be banned for life. Enough said on Margacheato.

And yes it would be remiss of me not to realize that good, and even great fighter, sometimes lose to lesser fighters. But most of the time it was because they did not train or take their opponent seriously. I do not think that was case with Williams. Because he not just lose to a club fighter, he got his a$$ handed to him by Quintana. But he does deserve credit for knocking the him out the second time around but I personally think that was a fluke. Simply because he throws a lot of arm punches. And as far as Cintron I am not sure what to make of him. Seems to have boxing skills but gets his a$$ handed to him every time he climbs in the ring with anything resembling a world class fighter. I believe he might have some psychological problems.

As far as Pavlik is concerned I will sate as I already have that I am a huge Pavlik fan. With that said I realize that he is a very limited fighter. With that said if a fighter stands and trades with him he will beat most fighters. That is why I don't for a minute believe that Pavlik was afraid of Williams. I truly believe Kelly had staff infection because he just does not seem like the type to be afraid and I believe he will fight anyone. And if they had fought or if they do fight I believe Pavlik will beat Williams with his power. However, as Hopkins and Sergio have shown movement gives Pavlik all kinds of problems and therefore keeps a decent fighter from being a great fighter.

I will say in closing that my disdain for Williams may cloud my judgment, at least I am honest. However, you even agree with me that Sergio is not yet a great fighter and that was my point with my long and redundant diatribe .

[Flo_Raiden]

I wonder if he now thinks Martinez is a special fighter after that whooping.