Prime jones didnt want none if the welsh dragon!!!!

[BrotherDudeJack]

I have it right here...

Yeah, but instead he decided to fight Tocker Pudwill, Miguel Angel Jimenez and Charles Brewer that year.

[BrotherDudeJack]

2008-11-08 174½ Roy Jones Jr 174½ 52-4-0
Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, United States W UD 12 12
referee: Hubert Earle | judge: Julie Lederman 118-109 | judge: Terry O'Connor 118-109 | judge: Jerry Roth 118-109
Calzaghe was down in the 1st round
2008-04-19 173 Bernard Hopkins 173 48-4-1
Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States W SD 12 12
referee: Joe Cortez | judge: Ted Gimza 115-112 | judge: Adalaide Byrd 113-114 | judge: Chuck Giampa 116-111
Calzaghe down in the 1st.
2007-11-03 166½ Mikkel Kessler 168 39-0-0
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom W UD 12 12x3
referee: Mike Ortega | judge: Raul Caiz Sr 117-111 | judge: John Stewart 116-112 | judge: Massimo Barrovecchio 116-112
WBA Super World super middleweight title (supervisor: Renzo Bagnariol)
WBC super middleweight title
WBO super middleweight title
2007-04-07 167¾ Peter Manfredo Jr 166 26-3-0
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom W TKO 3 12x3
time: 1:30 | referee: Terry O'Connor | judge: Harry Davis 20-18 | judge: Jose Hiram Rivera 20-18 | judge: Andre Van Grootenbruel 20-18
WBO super middleweight title
2006-10-14 168 Sakio Bika 168 20-1-2
M.E.N. Arena, Manchester, Lancashire, United Kingdom W UD 12 12x3
referee: Mickey Vann | judge: Jose Rivera 117-110 | judge: John Lawson 117-110 | judge: Phil Edwards 116-111
IBF super middleweight title
WBO super middleweight title
2006-03-04 168 Jeff Lacy 167 21-0-0
M.E.N. Arena, Manchester, Lancashire, United Kingdom W UD 12 12x3
referee: Raul Caiz Sr | judge: Nelson Vazquez 119-105 | judge: Roy Francis 119-107 | judge: Adalaide Byrd 119-107
IBF super middleweight title
WBO super middleweight title
Calzaghe deducted 1 point in round 11 for punching round Lacy's back during a break
Lacy down in the 12th round.
2005-09-10 167½ Evans Ashira 166 24-1-0
International Arena, Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom W UD 12 12x3
referee: Mark Nelson | judge: Renato Caddeo 120-107 | judge: Henk Adriaansen 120-108 | judge: Paul Thomas 120-108
WBO super middleweight title
2005-05-07 167½ Mario Veit 167½ 45-1-0
Volkswagenhalle, Braunschweig, Niedersachsen, Germany W TKO 6 12
time: 2:18 | referee: Genaro Rodriguez | judge: Joachim Jacobsen 50-44 | judge: Tom Miller 50-44 | judge: Melvina Lathan 50-44
WBO super middleweight title
2004-10-22 168 Kabary Salem 167¾ 23-3-0
Royal Highland Showground, Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom W UD 12 12x3
referee: Paul Thomas | judge: Renato Caddeo 117-109 | judge: Frank Cairo 118-107 | judge: Manuel Oliver Palomo 116-109
WBO super middleweight title
Calzaghe down in 4th; Salem down in 12th.
Salem penalized one point in Round 3, Calzaghe one point in Round 11, both for intentional headbutting.
2004-02-21 167½ Mger Mkrtchyan 167½ 18-1-0
National Ice Rink, Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom W TKO 7 12x3
time: 1:05 | referee: Paul Thomas
WBO super middleweight title
2003-06-28 167 Byron Mitchell 168 25-2-1
International Arena, Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom W TKO 2 12x3
time: 2:36 | referee: Dave Parris
WBO super middleweight title
Calzaghe suffers first career knockdown in 2nd; Michell down in 2nd.
2002-12-14 167¼ Tocker Pudwill 167½ 39-4-0
Telewest Arena, Newcastle, Tyne and Wear, United Kingdom W TKO 2 12x3
time: 0:39 | referee: Dave Parris
WBO super middleweight title
Pudwill down twice in 1st and once in 2nd. Pudwill took the fight on two-weeks' notice as a replacement for Thomas Tate.
2002-08-17 167¾ Miguel Angel Jimenez 168 21-1-0
Cardiff Castle, Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom W UD 12 12x3
referee: Dave Parris | judge: Harold Gomes 120-107 | judge: John Coyle 120-107 | judge: Mike Glienna 120-107
WBO super middleweight title
Jimenez penalized 1 point in 10th for head-butting.
2002-04-20 167¾ Charles Brewer 167¾ 37-8-0
International Arena, Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom W UD 12 12x3
referee: Mark Nelson | judge: Robin Dolpierre 118-111 | judge: Roy Francis 117-112 | judge: Chuck Giampa 119-109
WBO super middleweight title
2001-10-13 167½ Will McIntyre 167½ 29-2-0
Parken, Copenhagen, Denmark W TKO 4 12
time: 0:45 | referee: Paul Thomas | judge: Dave Parris 30-25 | judge: Torben Seemann Hansen 30-26 | judge: Andre Van Grootenbruel 30-26
WBO super middleweight title
McIntyre suffers first career knockdown in 3rd.
2001-04-28 167¾ Mario Veit 167 30-0-0
International Arena, Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom W TKO 1 12x3
time: 1:52 | referee: Mark Nelson | judge: Roy Francis | judge: Harold Gomes | judge: Harry Davis
WBO super middleweight title
Veit down twice
2000-12-16 167¾ Richie Woodhall 167½ 26-2-0
Sheffield Arena, Sheffield, Yorkshire, United Kingdom W TKO 10 12x3
time: 0:28 | referee: Roy Francis | judge: Dave Parris 87-84 | judge: John Coyle 88-83 | judge: Gerald Scott 87-84
WBO super middleweight title
Woodhall down in 9th.
2000-08-12 168 Omar Sheika 167 20-1-0
Conference Centre, Wembley, London, United Kingdom W TKO 5 12x3
time: 2:08 | referee: Genaro Rodriguez | judge: Mickey Vann 40-36 | judge: John Stewart 39-37 | judge: Victor Salomon 39-37
WBO super middleweight title
2000-01-29 167¾ David Starie 167½ 22-1-0
M.E.N. Arena, Manchester, Lancashire, United Kingdom W UD 12 12x3
referee: John Coyle | judge: William Lerch 118-110 | judge: Roberto Ramirez 120-108 | judge: Mickey Vann 116-113
WBO super middleweight title
1999-06-05 167½ Rick Thornberry 167 23-2-0
International Arena, Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom W UD 12 12x3
referee: Rudy Battle | judge: Harold Gomes 120-107 | judge: Rocky Young 119-108 | judge: Dave Parris 119-109
WBO super middleweight title
1999-02-13 167 Robin Reid 167¾ 26-1-1
Telewest Arena, Newcastle, Tyne and Wear, United Kingdom W SD 12 12x3
referee: Roy Francis | judge: Robert Byrd 116-111 | judge: John Duggan 116-111 | judge: Paul Thomas 111-116
WBO super middleweight title
1998-04-25 166½ Juan Carlos Gimenez Ferreyra 166½ 51-8-3
National Ice Rink, Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom W RTD 9 12x3
time: 3:00 | referee: Mike Ortega | judge: Mickey Vann 90-81 | judge: Roy Francis 90-81 | judge: Larry Hazzard Jr. 90-81
WBO super middleweight title
Corner retirement after the 9th round.
1998-01-24 167¾ Branko Sobot 166½ 14-1-0
International Arena, Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom W TKO 3 12x3
time: 1:35 | referee: Paul Thomas | judge: Samuel Viruet 20-18 | judge: Roy Francis 20-18 | judge: Manuel Maritxalar 20-18
WBO super middleweight title
1997-10-11 167¼ Chris Eubank 167¾ 45-2-2
Sheffield Arena, Sheffield, Yorkshire, United Kingdom W UD 12 12x3
referee: Joe Cortez | judge: Paul Thomas 116-111 | judge: Roy Francis 118-110 | judge: Dave Parris 118-109
vacant WBO super middleweight title
Eubank down in 1st.
1997-06-05 169¾ Luciano Torres 169 45-2-0
Whitchurch Leisure Centre, Bristol, Avon, United Kingdom W TKO 3 10x3
time: 0:52 | referee: Denzil Lewis
1997-03-22 169¾ Tyler Hughes 167¾ 12-0-0
Wythenshawe Forum, Manchester, Lancashire, United Kingdom W KO 1 10x3
time: 2:04 | referee: Phil Cowsill
1997-01-21 170 Carlos Christie 171 13-22-1
Whitchurch Leisure Centre, Bristol, Avon, United Kingdom W TKO 2 10x3
time: 1:39 | referee: Denzil Lewis
1996-05-15 169¾ Pat Lawlor 171¾ 21-8-0
Star Leisure Centre, Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom W TKO 2 10x3
time: 1:55 | referee: Ronnie Evans
1996-05-04 168 Warren Stowe 176 17-2-0
Goresbrook Leisure Centre, Dagenham, Es***, United Kingdom W TKO 2 8x3
time: 3:00 | referee: Roy Francis
1996-04-20 167 Mark Delaney 167 21-0-0
International Centre, Brentwood, Es***, United Kingdom W TKO 5 12x3
referee: John Coyle
BBBofC British super middleweight title
1996-03-13 168 Anthony Brooks 166 11-6-2
Brent Town Hall, Brent, London, United Kingdom W TKO 2 10x3
1996-02-13 172 Guy Stanford 171 16-11-1
Welsh Institute of Sport, Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom W TKO 1 10x3
time: 1:24 | referee: Ronnie Evans
1995-10-28 167 Stephen Wilson 167 11-1-0
Royal Albert Hall, Kensington, London, United Kingdom W TKO 8 12x3
time: 2:18 | referee: John Coyle
vacant BBBofC British super middleweight title
1995-09-30 168 Nick Manners 169 9-3-1
Festival Hall, Basildon, Es***, United Kingdom W TKO 4 8x3
time: 2:20 | referee: Larry O'Connell
1995-07-08 170 Tyrone Jackson 168 7-9-1
Barbican Centre, York, Yorkshire, United Kingdom W TKO 4 8x3
time: 1:08 | referee: Mickey Vann
1995-05-19 170 Robert Curry 175 33-34-0
Elephant & Castle Centre, Southwark, London, United Kingdom W TKO 1 8x3
time: 1:29 | referee: Roy Francis
1995-02-22 170 Bobbie Joe Edwards 178 5-9-0
Ice Rink, Telford, Shropshire, United Kingdom W PTS 8 8x3
referee: John Coyle 80-75½
1995-02-14 168 Frank Minton 169 26-21-1
York Hall, Bethnal Green, London, United Kingdom W KO 1 8x3
time: 1:25 | referee: Tony Walker
1994-11-30 170 Trevor Ambrose 170 10-13-0
Civic Hall, Wolverhampton, West Midlands, United Kingdom W TKO 2 8x3
1994-10-01 167 Mark Lee Dawson 164 7-9-0
National Ice Rink, Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom W TKO 1 8x3
1994-06-04 168 Karl Barwise 168 14-28-3
National Ice Rink, Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom W TKO 1 6x3
1994-03-01 169 Darren Littlewood 168 1-1-0
Town Hall, Dudley, West Midlands, United Kingdom W TKO 1 6x3
referee: John Coyle
1994-01-22 167 Martin Rosamond 169 10-15-1
Welsh Institute of Sport, Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom W TKO 1 6x3
1993-12-16 168 Spencer Alton 164 12-23-3
Newport Leisure Centre, Newport, Wales, United Kingdom W TKO 2 4x3
1993-11-10 167¾ Paul Mason 168 5-7-3
Watford Town Hall, Watford, Hertfordshire, United Kingdom W TKO 1 4x3
1993-10-01 167 Paul Hanlon 166 7-16-0
Cardiff Arms Park, Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom W TKO 1 4x3

[BrotherDudeJack]

Absolutely legendary!!!!!

In all seriousness, I give Joe props for the Kessler win and for fighting Lacy. Jeff Lacy didn't turn out that good, but he was undefeated and considered a threat at the time.

[DonairesRevenge]

neither guy wanted the fight.

Roy said on 24/7 he knew Joe had wanted him bad. There was a $5m offer made to fight him in America too.

Roy ducked Sir Joe as did Hopkins.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Yeah, but instead he decided to fight Tocker Pudwill, Miguel Angel Jimenez and Charles Brewer that year.

This was prior to Jones fighting Ruiz. And that makes no sense. It was not up to Joe to "decide" to fight Roy. The ball was always in Roy's court.

[IMDAZED]

This was prior to Jones fighting Ruiz. And that makes no sense. It was not up to Joe to "decide" to fight Roy. The ball was always in Roy's court.

1. Why would Roy even think about Calzaghe?

2. What was Calzaghe doing to make a fight?

[Squizz]

1. Why would Roy even think about Calzaghe?

He wouldn't. Especially in the UK where he'd have to fight the ref and judges as well.

2. What was Calzaghe doing to make a fight?

Next to nothing. He and Warren would make these weak offers only to save face, but deep down inside, they wanted NOTHING to do with Jones, because it would derail their fackin' gravy train. Anyone who was ACTUALLY watching boxing back then, knows this to be the truth.

Answers in bold.

[BrotherDudeJack]

1. Why would Roy even think about Calzaghe?

2. What was Calzaghe doing to make a fight?

Fighting Charles Brewer and Tucker Pudwill!! Didn't you read my fucking post.

[Squizz]

This was prior to Jones fighting Ruiz. And that makes no sense. It was not up to Joe to "decide" to fight Roy. The ball was always in Roy's court.

Exactly. And because of that, they play by Roy's rules. Something that they clearly weren't prepared to do. If you ask me, a fair proposition in 2002 would have went something like this:

Fight is held in the US, 70/30 split in favor of Roy. No if, ands, or buts. Roy was the attraction. Not Joe. Heck, nobody outside of the UK probably had any idea who Calzaghe was at the time! YET EVERYONE knew who Roy was. But Warren and Co. weren't going to take short money and go to the States only to lose. It just wasn't going to happen. They were making too much money beating scrubs in England. Anyone who can't see this, is either blind, or British.

[IMDAZED]

Roy was thinking about Calzaghe. He talked of moving down to 168 to fight him because he was "out of challenges" at 175.

My question was, why would Roy Jones think about Calzaghe? Your answer is: when he was bored out of his mind and had nothing to do? Yup, sounds about right.