Better Resume Sugar Ray Leonard or Roberto Duran?

[The Noose]

You bring up loses like they're important. Look at the wins the fighters have.

By the way, Leonards best "win" against Hagler. Hagler was over the hill.

Duran lost 2 fights when he was considered prime having fought the much better opposition.

How are losses not important? Ur right that i should put equal emphasis on their wins, but many of them had decent wins in the past, and overall werent really that special.

Leonard had one fight in 5 years before facing Hagler, and was not only rusty but also very much past his prime and had never fought at 160 before. I think that win was miraculous.

[The Noose]

Overall,Leonard is clearly the superior fighter of the two.If you want to watch boxing,you'll watch a Sugar Ray Leonard fight.If you want to watch an ugly grappling contest,you'll prefer Duran's style.



I don't get it myself,but some people appreciate that smothering,non-sustained attack that Duran used throughout much of his career.You've seen on Roberto Duran fight,you've seen them all.

imo Duran was one of the most natural instinctual fighters ive ever seen. His head movement and counter punch reflexes were second to none.

In the Leonard fight his feints and timing were incredible. Disguising lead rights against a great boxer like Leonard even Benitez and Hearns couldnt land.

Leonard had a very different style, but both are master boxers.

[americanbot]

Again, name me another LW who has as good a win at welterweight as Duran's over prime Leonard. hell, its hard to name any win as good as that.
Duran was a natural lightweight. Back then they had same day weigh ins. If he really drained himself so much for the fight, his stamina would have been totally spent, and he wouldnt have been able to go the 12+ rounds that he did without slowing down.
Duran over the course of his lightweight(and before) reign beat a lot of quality fighters. Guts Ishimatsu and DeJesus would go on to take the lightweight championship after Duran had left. Saoul Mamby would go on to get robbed in about a year for the 140lb championship, and then would hold the belt over multiple defenses. Two of Duran's opponents, Ernesto Marcel and Vilomar Fernandez, would go on to beat Alexis Arguello, while Marcel held the featherweight crown and Fernandez would beat him at 135lbs. Ken Buchanan will likely get into the HOF. Kobayashi had previously been the superfeatherweight champ just three months prior to fighting Duran. Then throw in top fighters like Viruet and Lampkin and you have a damn good LW record, one of the best ever. youll be hard pressed to find many reigns that were as accomplished.

Add in the fact he beat a former lineal champ(very dominantly) and then beat arguably the 2nd best Welterweight of all time. that right there is enough to be one of the greatest ever.
I dont remember any more of the fab four beating top opponents at 46 years old.

and the wins over Barkley and Moore are very significant. although it does not magically make Duran have wins over Hearns and Benitez, it does say that Duran was able to beat fighters that those two greats could not. and thats saying something, considering how excellent Hearns and Benitez were and that Duran was the oldest and smallest of all of them.

also, not to be a jackass, but if youre going to highlight a world its probably best you learn how to spell it(reality)

1st of all, heres the argument......."does duran have a better resume then sugar" I SAY NO. lets look at this. Guts Ishimatsu had been knocked out & was no more when he fought reberto. i don't see that as a great win. the same goes for Saoul Mamby....I don't connect greatness through triangle theories. i connect greatness by OTHER ATG opponents that one has fought (and the way that they beat them) no 1 said that duran isn't great you moron. I said that duran resume isn't better then sugars & i ALSO said that duran would not have a respectable ATG ranking if you are to just go by his lightweight resume alone. A very GOOD Lightweight resume but not a respectable all around ATG ranking.....(certainly not top 20) & thats because the level of opposition was far greater then what he was fighting at lightweight when he moved up. also the barkley win was good but i told you i go by how the fighter looked. duran barely beat barkley in fact there could be a argument made that barkley won.....the fab four is based on who was the better fighter of that bunch (all of them fought each other) so you don't have to go to imaginary triangle theories with that one. duran is the weakest link. he beat sugar but it was close & he clearly lost the rematch.

back to topic. heres some good wins of why i think sugar has the better resume over duran.

duran
hearns (i thought he was prime even at weltwerweight. hearns would be a nightmare for todays welterweights to deal with) the weight excuse is grossly over exaggerated just like the duran rematch. a UNDEFEATED hearns may i add.
hagler
Benitez (who was undefeated)
Lalonde (who was a champion)
Ayub Kalule (who was undefeated & was a champion)

I could go on but i am ready to end this message. heres the thing. he beat EVERYONE that was apart of the fab 4. (he's the only one out of the bunch to do it) and he beat a ton of top "honorable mentions" of that era, such as a undefeated Benitez. there is no doubt in my mind that sugar has a better resume then duran thats even with durans more fights.

also before you try to correct my typos LEARN to spell "word" not WORLD....

[dorruel2.0]

Overall,Leonard is clearly the superior fighter of the two.If you want to watch boxing,you'll watch a Sugar Ray Leonard fight.If you want to watch an ugly grappling contest,you'll prefer Duran's style.



I don't get it myself,but some people appreciate that smothering,non-sustained attack that Duran used throughout much of his career.You've seen on Roberto Duran fight,you've seen them all.

another black discrediting duran because hes ranked the best of the fab 4

[americanbot]

prinzemanspopa


Maybe you can learn something.




Yeah no credible source

more excuses.

the styles beat duran not the weight......the first fight was close to begin with. you could actually tell in the first fight that if sugar had just moved more he would have beat duran.

i could understand if duran just toally DOMINATED sugar in the 1st fight..but that was far from the case. the fight was close.

sugar moved on duran in the rematch & that ruined rebertos gameplan. dude, face realty.....the excuses are dead at this point.

[D4thincarnation]

more excuses.

the styles beat duran not the weight......the first fight was close to begin with. you could actually tell in the first fight that if sugar had just moved more he would have beat duran.

i could understand if duran just toally DOMINATED sugar in the 1st fight..but that was far from the case. the fight was close.

sugar moved on duran in the rematch & that ruined rebertos gameplan. dude, face realty.....the excuses are dead at this point.

Leonard admits that it was part of his gameplan to get Duran back in the ring quick because he know he likes to party.

Duran's manager agrees the deal with King without the consent of Duran.

Leonard doe not give Duran a rematch.

At 100% 8 times out of 10 Duran beats Leonard

Even in the no mas fight Duran was maybe a round behind.

Don't ignore the facts.

[prinzemanspopa]

Where my apology?

You want me to apologize for you being a complete and utter idiot? How on earth is that my fault? You think some clip out of a documentary slanted towards Duran is a credible source? Dear me,you really are an idiot,aren't you?



You are so ******,and so naive......that you believe Duran - a man notorious for making excuses after each and every one of his losses - gained eighty pounds in just two months? You are really that f^cking ******? Just think that one through and realize just how ****** that sounds.Duran's own manager never even dared make such a ridiculous claim.



You come back to me once you've actually learned something aout this sport.As of right now,you're an insignificant little pissant involving himself in a topic that you're so clearly ignorant aout.

another black discrediting duran because hes ranked the best of the fab 4

I'm white,you ****** ****.

[D4thincarnation]

You want me to apologize for you being a complete and utter idiot? How on earth is that my fault? You think some clip out of a documentary slanted towards Duran is a credible source? Dear me,you really are an idiot,aren't you?



You are so ******,and so naive......that you believe Duran - a man notorious for making excuses after each and every one of his losses - gained eighty pounds in just two months? You are really that f^cking ******? Just think that one through and realize just how ****** that sounds.Duran's own manager never even dared make such a ridiculous claim.



You come back to me once you've actually learned something aout this sport.As of right now,you're an insignificant little pissant involving himself in a topic that you're so clearly ignorant aout.








I'm white,you ****** ****.

Yeah Leonard is not a credible source, you have been shown up at least have the dignity to admit you are wrong.

You are just embarrassing.

Carry on burying your head in the sand.

[americanbot]

Leonard admits that it was part of his gameplan to get Duran back in the ring quick because he know he likes to party.

Duran's manager agrees the deal with King without the consent of Duran.

Leonard doe not give Duran a rematch.

At 100% 8 times out of 10 Duran beats Leonard

Even in the no mas fight Duran was maybe a round behind.

Don't ignore the facts.

the rematch was about 6 months from their 1st fight....thats not really that quick, especially in those days. you're having delusions. & in the rematch reberto got out classed.... I had reberto 4 rounds down & it was getting worser & worser as sugar just started pocketing rounds. thats why duran quit because it started to look hopeless.

the 1st fight sugar fought durans style & the fight was close. it didn't take a rocket scientist to see that if sugar moved on duran he would beat him.

he did just that in the reamatch & the syles didn't work out for duran. if sugar fought like that he would almost always have beaten duran if he brawled with duran he would almost always lose.....

[dorruel2.0]

You want me to apologize for you being a complete and utter idiot? How on earth is that my fault? You think some clip out of a documentary slanted towards Duran is a credible source? Dear me,you really are an idiot,aren't you?



You are so ******,and so naive......that you believe Duran - a man notorious for making excuses after each and every one of his losses - gained eighty pounds in just two months? You are really that f^cking ******? Just think that one through and realize just how ****** that sounds.Duran's own manager never even dared make such a ridiculous claim.



You come back to me once you've actually learned something aout this sport.As of right now,you're an insignificant little pissant involving himself in a topic that you're so clearly ignorant aout.








I'm white,you ****** ****.

oh sorry bout that, what i said is true tho in my post