Comments Thread For: Garcia: Manny Pacquiao Should Fight Sergio Martinez

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You said Manny is a natural JWW BUT IMDAZED disagrees with you completely. He says that Manny is a natural WW .... you guys fight it out as you guys are further apart than I was with you or him!!!


As for whining, you are one of the top contenders in that department. Any non-biased poster would agree that you are P4P top 5 whiner on this site. You are even begging me and others to answer that silly post (address my 7 issues) that you continually shoot out when you cry about the other posters comments. By the way, I had addressed it once before and told you that from now on, append my response as it makes for a better read.

As for calling me a kid, as you have done before as well, the way you post, I'm quite sure that I am older than you. Maybe 10-20 years older than you ...... and possibly more!

FACT: I don't give a **** how old you are, because you act like a kid that does not posess much in the way of boxing knowledge/experience. So if the cap fit's, wear it.

FACT: I'm 42yo

FACT: Stop your whining, who cares about your current pet-whinge, it is totally irrelevant, and a pointless exercise.

FACT: If you think he's big, then that JMW superstar should man-up and fight Sergio..... if you think he's small, then pacroid should fight Marquez at a fair weight.

But no, as usual.....

* Manny will not fight a skilled boxer
* Manny will not fight a skilled counter-puncher
* Manny will not fight anybody who is in their prime
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
* Manny will not fight anybody who is coming off a win
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage

* And at JMW, Manny will not fight anybody at all

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Homework for ADP........

1.) Manny Pacquiao is a coward for claiming to be an 8-division champion, and yet being too scared to EVER fight an actual JMW opponent.

2.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Mayweather back in December, either that or he is a steroid cheat. He didn't want none of Mayweather or the tests, thats for sure.

3.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Sergio Martinez. If JMM can go up two divisions to WW, then surely Manny can defend his JMW title at 154. What a b1tch Manny.

4.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for demanding a catch-weight for Cotto. There are two reasons to demand a catch-weight, either you are not good enough to compete with that fighter at his natural weight, which is fine..... or you are attempting to drain him to gain an unfair advantage, which is cowardly. Team Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.

5.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Shane Mosley - TWICE !!

6.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for being such a cherry-picker.....
* Manny will not fight a skilled boxer
* Manny will not fight a skilled counter-puncher
* Manny will not fight anybody who is in their prime
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
* Manny will not fight anybody who is coming off a win
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage
* And at JMW, Manny will not fight anybody at all

7.) And Manny "padded" Pacquiao is also a dirty coward for refusing to fight Marquez unless the fight is held at 147.

Manny "padded" Pacquiao is a joke. Top Rank smoke and mirrors.

Team Pacquiao.....
Still piss-scared of Marquez, since 2004

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FACT: I don't give a **** how old you are, because you act like a kid that does not posess much in the way of boxing knowledge/experience. So if the cap fit's, wear it.

From the posts that I've read of yours, it may be a combination of your lack of boxing knowledge, boxing analysis, the way you try to drag down the other posters that don't agree with you 100%, your attitude, and the way you discuss boxing, in general.

It's not that you do not occasionally have some valid points, its just that you have so many negatives going against you that anything that you say that is good gets overshadowed by your negativity. I have said this before and actually congratulated you when you posted a post that had you headed in the right direction. It didn't even have to be something that I agreed with (and I probably didn't) but it showed something that people can say, lets have a good read.

FACT: I'm 42yo

While I am older than you, I'm quite surprised that you are 42 and write posts the way you do.
For example, who would write in their 40s this "If I were driving down the road and saw someone wearing a Manny T-Shirt, I would run him over" ..... What you wrote is wrong in so so many ways!

FACT: Stop your whining, who cares about your current pet-whinge, it is totally irrelevant, and a pointless exercise.

I read a few posts in another thread (Manny relinquishing his JMW title). You are the top whiner my friend. Others said the same about you in that thread. That's one title that I can't take away from you!

FACT: If you think he's big, then that JMW superstar should man-up and fight Sergio..... if you think he's small, then pacroid should fight Marquez at a fair weight.

You know that Manny is small for 154. If he can, sure but even if he could, I can't see him risking a fight against Martinez when he has yet to fight Floyd. I can only see Manny fighting a Martinez as his LAST fight because he would be a big underdog and that Manny can get really hurt by a much bigger fighter who has good skills as well.

But if you say that Manny needs to defend his title then he has to defend his 147 title. So that is one reason that he can't fight Marquez. This would not please you anyways so there should be no discussion of Manny vs Marquez at 147. I agree there as Marquez gets smoked!

BUT, if we also go by your other criterias (I can add a few more) then why should Manny fight Marquez? What do I mean? Below you have a list. So if Manny fights Marquez one can use that list and say,
- "Manny fought an out of prime Marquez".
- "Manny fought a Marquez that never beat anyone above 135".
- "Marquez is old"
- "Manny should have fought Berto, Bradley, ... not the aging Marquez"
- "Was there any doubt to the outcome? Even Marquez fans knew that he was not effective above 135"

But no, as usual.....

* Manny will not fight a skilled boxer
- Barrera, Morales, Marquez, ...
* Manny will not fight a skilled counter-puncher
- Marquez
* Manny will not fight anybody who is in their prime
- Barrera, Marquez, Hatton, Cotto ....
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
- Barrera, Marquez, Hatton had no losses at 140
* Manny will not fight anybody who is coming off a win
- Barrera, Marquez, Diaz, Cotto ....
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage
- Oscar was heavily favored. Almost everyone at 140+ had a distinct size advantage over Manny. With some fighters, they thought Manny would be over-matched.

* And at JMW, Manny will not fight anybody at all

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- They used the Margarito fight as a stepping stone. To see if he can fight as a JMW. There are links that state that as well. During their training camp, there were numerous articles that stated that 154 (actually 150) was becoming a bigger task than expected for Manny. This meaning, Manny was slowing down as he gained weight and that knowing (sparring partners) that Margarito would come in bigger and therefore more dangerous against the smaller Manny.
- You guys said, if Manny can't defend it, the he needs to relinquish the belt. Well, Manny relinquished it but that would not satisfy LeadUppercut. Would it?
- That link that you provided in the other thread was during Manny's training camp BEFORE the Margarito fight. They said that BEFORE we knew that Martinez would even win against Williams. They realized that Manny fighting at 154 would be too high ...... they did not say that they never intended to fight at 154 before the training camp. BUT that to me is not even a big issue BUT you constantly whine about it! .... calling Manny a coward for not fighting Martinez is a stretch, ..... but that doesn't stop you from constantly whining about it. Does it?

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From the posts that I've read of yours, it may be a combination of your lack of boxing knowledge, boxing analysis, the way you try to drag down the other posters that don't agree with you 100%, your attitude, and the way you discuss boxing, in general.

It's not that you do not occasionally have some valid points, its just that you have so many negatives going against you that anything that you say that is good gets overshadowed by your negativity. I have said this before and actually congratulated you when you posted a post that had you headed in the right direction. It didn't even have to be something that I agreed with (and I probably didn't) but it showed something that people can say, lets have a good read.

While I am older than you, I'm quite surprised that you are 42 and write posts the way you do.
For example, who would write in their 40s this "If I were driving down the road and saw someone wearing a Manny T-Shirt, I would run him over" ..... What you wrote is wrong in so so many ways!

I read a few posts in another thread (Manny relinquishing his JMW title). You are the top whiner my friend. Others said the same about you in that thread. That's one title that I can't take away from you!

You know that Manny is small for 154. If he can, sure but even if he could, I can't see him risking a fight against Martinez when he has yet to fight Floyd. I can only see Manny fighting a Martinez as his LAST fight because he would be a big underdog and that Manny can get really hurt by a much bigger fighter who has good skills as well.

But if you say that Manny needs to defend his title then he has to defend his 147 title. So that is one reason that he can't fight Marquez. This would not please you anyways so there should be no discussion of Manny vs Marquez at 147. I agree there as Marquez gets smoked!

BUT, if we also go by your other criterias (I can add a few more) then why should Manny fight Marquez? What do I mean? Below you have a list. So if Manny fights Marquez one can use that list and say,

- "Manny fought an out of prime Marquez".
- "Manny fought a Marquez that never beat anyone above 135".
- "Marquez is old"
- "Manny should have fought Berto, Bradley, ... not the aging Marquez"
- "Was there any doubt to the outcome? Even Marquez fans knew that he was not effective above 135"[/B]

Sir Whinealot, jeez you talk **** kid.

That whole post is whiney dribble about nothing.

I mean, just look at this fkn rubbish here.....

"Below you have a list. So if Manny fights Marquez one can use that list and say,

- "Manny fought an out of prime Marquez".
- "Manny fought a Marquez that never beat anyone above 135".
- "Marquez is old"
- "Manny should have fought Berto, Bradley, ... not the aging Marquez"
- "Was there any doubt to the outcome? Even Marquez fans knew that he was not effective above 135"

What a load of whiney dribble, those ridiculous excuses that you invented are even worse than the 6 ridiculous excuses that Pacquiao tried to use to explain why he ducked random blood tests.

You must be so proud that Manny has left you the job of defending him by appointing you as his primary "excuse-maker"

Absurd

Just imagine what condition the sport of boxing would be in, if every fighter needed his fan's to make idiot's of themselves by defending him against accusations of blatant ducking, cheating history, steroid abuse, cherry-picking opponents, weight manipulation, and avoiding any fighter who is even slightly on top of his game.

BTW, how are your answers to my 7 questions coming along kid?

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Sir Whinealot, jeez you talk **** kid.

That whole post is whiney dribble about nothing.

I mean, just look at this fkn rubbish here.....

"Below you have a list. So if Manny fights Marquez one can use that list and say,

- "Manny fought an out of prime Marquez".
- "Manny fought a Marquez that never beat anyone above 135".
- "Marquez is old"
- "Manny should have fought Berto, Bradley, ... not the aging Marquez"
- "Was there any doubt to the outcome? Even Marquez fans knew that he was not effective above 135"

What a load of whiney dribble, those ridiculous excuses that you invented are even worse than the 6 ridiculous excuses that Pacquiao tried to use to explain why he ducked random blood tests.

You must be so proud that Manny has left you the job of defending him by appointing you as his primary "excuse-maker"

Absurd

Just imagine what condition the sport of boxing would be in, if every fighter needed his fan's to make idiot's of themselves by defending him against accusations of blatant ducking, cheating history, steroid abuse, cherry-picking opponents, weight manipulation, and avoiding any fighter who is even slightly on top of his game.

BTW, how are your answers to my 7 questions coming along kid?

Like I thought, you avoided everything I said.

All you did was point out what I said BUT you never came back with something to prove me wrong ...... that is classic LeadUppercut!!!

The only thing that Marquez vs Manny has at this point is that trilogy factor .... BUT when you analyze it a bit you would realize that Manny would be fighting another guy where the odds would be heavily in favor of Manny. That is not OK with someone like a Mosley but you are OK since you like Marquez. That is the only reason why you whine for that fight to happen.

I like Marquez but I know that if Manny comes prepared Marquez will get smoked at 140 and at 147!

Then people would say:
- "Manny fought an out of prime Marquez".
- "Manny fought a Marquez that never beat anyone above 135".
- "Marquez is old (38)"
- "Manny should have fought Berto, Bradley, ... not the aging Marquez"
- "Was there any doubt to the outcome? Even Marquez fans knew that he was not effective above 135"

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Manny Pacquiao is a coward.....

Like I thought, you avoided everything I said.

All you did was point out what I said BUT you never came back with something to prove me wrong ...... that is classic LeadUppercut!!!

The only thing that Marquez vs Manny has at this point is that trilogy factor .... BUT when you analyze it a bit you would realize that Manny would be fighting another guy where the odds would be heavily in favor of Manny. That is not OK with someone like a Mosley but you are OK since you like Marquez. That is the only reason why you whine for that fight to happen.

I like Marquez but I know that if Manny comes prepared Marquez will get smoked at 140 and at 147!

Then people would say:
- "Manny fought an out of prime Marquez".
- "Manny fought a Marquez that never beat anyone above 135".
- "Marquez is old (38)"
- "Manny should have fought Berto, Bradley, ... not the aging Marquez"
- "Was there any doubt to the outcome? Even Marquez fans knew that he was not effective above 135"

Stop whining kid.....

1.) I did not reply to your ridiculous hypothesis, because it was absurd.
It was just typical whiney Manny-circus rubbish Just grow up.

2.) I did go to all the trouble of pointing out that your whiney "Marquez" excuses were a joke, so you can consider that a reply

3.) I don't give a **** if Manny/JMM III doesn't happen, but IF it does, then that fight should take place at 140, for obvious reasons. But pacroid aint gonna let that happen, is he? he won't go anywhere near JMM without a distinct advantage, just like he does with all of his other opponents. Lame.

4.) Mayweather would spank the limited Pacquiao, everbody who knows boxing can see that. I guess that Floyd shouldn't waste his time with pacroid according to your methodology

5.) I notice that you are still whining really loudly, but still saying absolutely nothing at all.

6.) How are you getting on with your homework kid? Got answers for my 7 questions as yet?

7.) I'm done with you, your childish whining is silly. It's not like you have raised any relevant issues, or attempted to address the 7 issues relating to pacroid..... I'm done with you, and I am also done with the other flag-waving little clowns that know nothing about boxing.

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1.) Manny Pacquiao is a coward for claiming to be an 8-division champion, and yet being too scared to EVER fight an actual JMW opponent.

2.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Mayweather back in December, either that or he is a steroid cheat. He didn't want none of Mayweather or the tests, thats for sure.

3.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Sergio Martinez. If JMM can go up two divisions to WW, then surely Manny can defend his JMW title at 154. What a b1tch Manny.

4.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for demanding a catch-weight for Cotto. There are two reasons to demand a catch-weight, either you are not good enough to compete with that fighter at his natural weight, which is fine..... or you are attempting to drain him to gain an unfair advantage, which is cowardly. Team Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.

5.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Shane Mosley - TWICE !!

6.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for being such a cherry-picker.....
* Manny will not fight a skilled boxer
* Manny will not fight a skilled counter-puncher
* Manny will not fight anybody who is in their prime
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
* Manny will not fight anybody who is coming off a win
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage
* And at JMW, Manny will not fight anybody at all

7.) And Manny "padded" Pacquiao is also a dirty coward for refusing to fight Marquez unless the fight is held at 147.

Manny "padded" Pacquiao is a joke. Top Rank smoke and mirrors.

Team Pacquiao.....
Still piss-scared of Marquez, since 2004

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Stop whining kid.....

1.) I did not reply to your ridiculous hypothesis, because it was absurd.
It was just typical whiney Manny-circus rubbish Just grow up.

ADP02: So you can't counter my posts? That's what I thought!

2.) I did go to all the trouble of pointing out that your whiney "Marquez" excuses were a joke, so you can consider that a reply


ADP02: I understand, you can't counter because what I said was true and how can you possibly counter against the truth!

3.) I don't give a **** if Manny/JMM III doesn't happen, but IF it does, then that fight should take place at 140, for obvious reasons. But pacroid aint gonna let that happen, is he? he won't go anywhere near JMM without a distinct advantage, just like he does with all of his other opponents. Lame.

ADP02:
Sure you don't give a **** if Manny vs Marquez 3 doesn't happen lol! at least you made me laugh! lol! You have been whining about this since who knows when.


4.) Mayweather would spank the limited Pacquiao, everbody who knows boxing can see that. I guess that Floyd shouldn't waste his time with pacroid according to your methodology

ADP02:
I have said on several occasions that Floyd is favored to win but my opinion on the odds occasionally changes. I will reevaluate once the fight actually gets made.... at this point, it will just be called a fantasy fight that Floyd always seems to win on these sites!

That fight (Floyd vs Manny) EVERYONE wants to see and EVERYONE has a different opinion on it.

Marquez vs Manny will just have that trilogy factor BUT most people would agree that THIS Marquez would get smoked by THIS Manny at 140+. If you remove your plugs and eye-shades, you would remember that I have already said that 140 is OK by me BUT the outcome will be the same. It can still happen BUT very few people are screaming for this fight like you have been on every occasion you can get.

Get the difference?



5.) I notice that you are still whining really loudly, but still saying absolutely nothing at all.

ADP02:
You continually spew out your 7 points and state that I'm the one who is always whining on this site? PLEEEEAAAASSSSE!!!


6.) How are you getting on with your homework kid? Got answers for my 7 questions as yet?

ADP02:
I had responded to you a while back ..... but from your counter posts, what's the point? You can't counter!!!


7.) I'm done with you, your childish whining is silly. It's not like you have raised any relevant issues, or attempted to address the 7 issues relating to pacroid..... I'm done with you, and I am also done with the other flag-waving little clowns that know nothing about boxing.


ADP02:
So I guess that you are removing all mirrors from you house? lol!

As for your 7 points (see my response above). When I see that you can respond like an adult, I would be more than glad to discuss with you ..... but with that, I don't mean just posting your 7 points. That repetitive whining has gotten tiring already.


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1.) Manny Pacquiao is a coward for claiming to be an 8-division champion, and yet being too scared to EVER fight an actual JMW opponent.

2.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Mayweather back in December, either that or he is a steroid cheat. He didn't want none of Mayweather or the tests, thats for sure.

3.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Sergio Martinez. If JMM can go up two divisions to WW, then surely Manny can defend his JMW title at 154. What a b1tch Manny.

4.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for demanding a catch-weight for Cotto. There are two reasons to demand a catch-weight, either you are not good enough to compete with that fighter at his natural weight, which is fine..... or you are attempting to drain him to gain an unfair advantage, which is cowardly. Team Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.

5.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Shane Mosley - TWICE !!

6.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for being such a cherry-picker.....
* Manny will not fight a skilled boxer
* Manny will not fight a skilled counter-puncher
* Manny will not fight anybody who is in their prime
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
* Manny will not fight anybody who is coming off a win
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage
* And at JMW, Manny will not fight anybody at all

7.) And Manny "padded" Pacquiao is also a dirty coward for refusing to fight Marquez unless the fight is held at 147.

Manny "padded" Pacquiao is a joke. Top Rank smoke and mirrors.

Team Pacquiao.....
Still piss-scared of Marquez, since 2004

I see that you are still posting your 7 whiny points!