MAYWEATHER-MOSLEY Second Round....What REALLY Happened?

[BoxingTech718]

Well, the fact that you take the JMM/Floyd fight seriously makes me question your faculties.

I'm talking about JMM vs. opponents his own size. If JMM was a natural WW I guarantee you that fight would've played out differently.

Shane didn't have to be JMM, because he'll never be that good, but even if he just took a step back once in a while and worked the body he would've k.o'd Floyd.

Floyd is very beatable, he just never fights anyone who poses a real threat because he's a scared pussy.

LOL you seem butt hurt for some reason. JMM got outboxed and styled on by floyd. IF he was stronger, faster, taller, blah, blah, blah, so many damn excuses. Just give Floyd his damn respect or lace up a pair of gloves and get in the ring. It's pretty easy for arm chair warriors to call someone a *****.

[Gino Ros]

Well, the fact that you take the JMM/Floyd fight seriously makes me question your faculties.

I'm talking about JMM vs. opponents his own size. If JMM was a natural WW I guarantee you that fight would've played out differently.
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Sub,

1) Not sure what you do for a living. lumberjack. Neurosurgeon. male nurse. but you don't really get to call fighters puussies.

2) Floyd didn't muscle JMM, didn't bully him, and was right in front of Marquez. The fight wasn't about size. It was about - as great as Marquez is - he faced someone who does all the same things BETTER. Marquez landed 11% of his punches for Chrissakes....and Floyd wasn't even trying to hurt him.

[Gino Ros]

Since (Manny) doesn't have Shane's size, reach advantage over Mayweather, or one hit KO power. I'm praying like hell the the fight actually happens.

That is a concern about the much-discussed Mayweather-Pacquiao fight. Pac went 11.5 rounds with Cotto, 12 with Clottey and 12 with Margarito. So, clearly, Manny isn't that one-punch KO artist. So he would have to land a lot of shots on Floyd.

Hard to see that happening beyond the first couple of rounds.

[Bastian Loc]

LOL you seem butt hurt for some reason. JMM got outboxed and styled on by floyd. IF he was stronger, faster, taller, blah, blah, blah, so many damn excuses. Just give Floyd his damn respect or lace up a pair of gloves and get in the ring. It's pretty easy for arm chair warriors to call someone a *****.

You have poor reading skills. I was using JMM's approach as an example of something Mosley could have done to end the fight right then and there.

JMM got outboxed and outmaneuvered because he was carrying 20 extra pounds than his career weight of 126.

I'd like to see how much faster you are if you were carrying 20 extra pounds from your prime weight.

If he was 5'9 and a natural WW he would've knocked Fraud out.

[Pullcounter]

The reason why shane couldn't beat floyd is because 1) his jab is not good 2) he is old & lacks stamina 3) he couldn't clinch w/ wifebeater cause wifebeater was just as strong if not stronger becuz shane is old and lacks stamina 4) he lost hope when wifebeater didn't wilt under his attack 5) he thought wifebeater was gonna run, he didn't expect wifebeater 2 put pressure on him

[Bastian Loc]

Sub,

1) Not sure what you do for a living. lumberjack. Neurosurgeon. male nurse. but you don't really get to call fighters puussies.

I call it like I see it. Mayweather's a *****.

2) Floyd didn't muscle JMM, didn't bully him, and was right in front of Marquez. The fight wasn't about size. It was about - as great as Marquez is - he faced someone who does all the same things BETTER. Marquez landed 11% of his punches for Chrissakes....and Floyd wasn't even trying to hurt him.

JMM was at a huge disadvantage because of the size difference.

Period.

[BoZz]

I have read many people saying different things. The fight was fixed. Mosley gassed out. Mosley is only a 2-3 round fighter now. Just today, I saw Bernard Hopkins say that Mosley "surrendered" once Floyd weathered the storm.

Let me preface by saying that Bernard Hopkins has more boxing knowledge in the gap between his teeth than I have in my whole body. But in this instance, I respectfully disagree. Hell, I disrespectfully disagree. Shane has never been more motivated for a fight in his life than he was for the Mayweather fight. Anyone you talk to would tell you he wanted it so bad. Maybe even TOO much.

Here is what I saw, and what I think happened:

Naazim Richardson had a plan to open up Floyd's guard. Remember, Floyd fights out of a modified Philly Shell, and Brother Naaz is a Philly trainer. The shell ain't no mystery to him. He has seen it plenty. BUT (and big "but") Naazim told Shane, 24/7 viewers and the world that those openings would close up quickly.

...and that is exactly what happened.

So, SPECIFICALLY, Shane would throw to Floyd's body, knowing that Floyd (and most shell fighters) react to every punch thrown. Floyd's intent is to get hit by ZERO punches. He is defensively-oriented that way. So when Shane throws the bodyshot, Floyd reacts and Shane IMMEDIATELY fires the follow-up right hand bomb up top. Not even a one-two. More like a one- one point five!! Shane tried it in round 1 (0.40 of the video below) and swung and missed so hard that he fell off balance. He then did it again in round 2 (1:40) and LANDED it. Shane even tried it AGAIN (at 2:55) but Floyd had D'd up.

Floyd got rocked by a hard, clean shot from one of the hardest p4p punchers of this generation. How hard does Shane hit? Shane knocked out Margarito with FAR fewer punches than Pacquiao (a great puncher) landed.

So Floyd made TWO adjustments:
1: picked up his left hand, and carried it near his head
2: ignored the weak jab to his body

After Floyd got past that rough patch, Shane AGAIN tried to throw that jab to the body. Floyd countered it with a hard two-piece upstairs.

If you listen to every interview Shane gave after the fight, he tells you: Floyd made great adjustments. Neither Shane (nor Naaz) saw any other openings. In fact, if you listen to what Brother Naazim told Shane in the corner in the middle rounds, "Shane, you keep looking for that perfect shot. There is none".

Here is round two.

Shane didn't surrender. He merely couldn't RE-adjust after Floyd made his adjustments.

@ 5:20, Shane explains that Floyd didn't "make the same mistake again"

Thanks in advance for the discussion.

very good observation..brilliant.

[Pacquiao'd]

I call it like I see it. Mayweather's a *****.



JMM was at a huge disadvantage because of the size difference.

Period.

doesnt JMM weight around mid 140 on fight night even in the lower weight classes? so what are you talking about 20lbs

[Gino Ros]

I call it like I see it. Mayweather's a *****.



JMM was at a huge disadvantage because of the size difference.

Period.

Floyd was at a huge disadvantage vs Corrales., Vs Oscar.

Manny was at a huge disadvantage vs Margarito

Jones was at a huge disadvantage vs Ruiz.

Size doesn't win fights.

...but you need an excuse. So cling to that one.

[BoxingTech718]

doesnt JMM weight around mid 140 on fight night even in the lower weight classes? so what are you talking about 20lbs

I stopped responding to him after I read the "20lb's" exaggeration.