The complicated infatuation with the term p4p.

[Russian Crushin]

That's because catchweight fights have become so popular as of late..

I know that Catchweights have always been around..but now it seems like it's the thing to do, and the biggest names in the sport are the ones supporting it. (Pacquiao, Mayweather, Williams, etc) it makes this pretend p4p thing become a reality when they can meet at an agreed weightclass.

That's where it becomes ******..instead of leaving it as an opinion, they create a weightclass, and make it happen, and 9 times out of 10 it puts one of the two fighters at a steep disadvantage, so in reality it proved nothing.

That is not true, just about every fighter fights at "catchweights" at the beginning of their career and even further into their career.

I mean Saul Alvarez has fought his last 3 or 4 fights at 150 and victor Ortiz fought his last fight at 142 I think

People just complain when it's the big guys doin it

[Bushbaby]

It's because the best p4p fighters are usually guys who can climb divisions well, like Pacquiao and Mayweather have. It makes people misjudge everybody else. Marquez is the third best fighter in the world, but he can't move past 135. Yet since his skills are so good people say he can because p4p he is so good.

People are dumb man, just how it is.

I'm not to sure about that(not saying ur wrong)but Martinez has only fought in 2(I believe)& he's pretty high.I don't think it mostly pertain to fighters who climb weight well,it's just a comparison betwwen fighters overal based solely on skillset.But like I said it doesn't apply to reality because a lightweight can't beat a light heavyweight in real life,although skillwise the lightweight seems to have more.

[bojangles1987]

I'm not to sure about that(not saying ur wrong)but Martinez has only fought in 2(I believe)& he's pretty high.I don't think it mostly pertain to fighters who climb weight well,it's just a comparison betwwen fighters overal based solely on skillset.But like I said it doesn't apply to reality because a lightweight can't beat a light heavyweight in real life,although skillwise the lightweight seems to have more.

P4P isn't supposed to have anything to do with climbing weight, but that's how people treat it and that's why there is such an infatuation with p4p rankings, IMO. P4P should have nothing to do with picking a fight, definitely.

[Bushbaby]

P4P isn't supposed to have anything to do with climbing weight, but that's how people treat it and that's why there is such an infatuation with p4p rankings, IMO. P4P should have nothing to do with picking a fight, definitely.

Yup,I can dig it,pfp rankings shouldn't hold more weight than titles either.

[fightfan_79]

I'm not really sure how to approach this,but any help in explaining it the certain clueless boxing fans would be appreciated.

I see some boxing fans constantly using the term to describe how good fighters are & out of context.The term pfp cannot be taken seriously.It is simply used to compare fighters from Flyweight up to heavyweight.

For instance,if Marquez was the same size as Arreolla,he's be better.But that does not translate into Marquez can beat Arreolla if they step into the ring for real.The pfp rankings do not reflect on real fight outside of a given fighters real weight classes.

For instance Marquez is a highly ranked pfp fighter,but in reality,he isn't a welterweight & won't be able to compete evenly against an elite welterweight,even if that welterweight is not high,or even on the pfp rankings.In short pfp is basically an opinion.

Excellent breakdown....unfortunately *******s and *****s have created a secret alliance with the WBC to create a "Platinum P4P Belt".....anyone considered top 20 p4p would be able to get a crack it at...long as you pay the sacntioning fees.

[Pullcounter]

I'm not really sure how to approach this,but any help in explaining it the certain clueless boxing fans would be appreciated.

I see some boxing fans constantly using the term to describe how good fighters are & out of context.The term pfp cannot be taken seriously.It is simply used to compare fighters from Flyweight up to heavyweight.

For instance,if Marquez was the same size as Arreolla,he's be better.But that does not translate into Marquez can beat Arreolla if they step into the ring for real.The pfp rankings do not reflect on real fight outside of a given fighters real weight classes.

For instance Marquez is a highly ranked pfp fighter,but in reality,he isn't a welterweight & won't be able to compete evenly against an elite welterweight,even if that welterweight is not high,or even on the pfp rankings.In short pfp is basically an opinion.

yeah, *****s are so ****ing dumb. they think that just cause jmm is top 5 p4p he can jump from LW to WW and be effective. what are these biitches smoking? they think pac can fight s.mart when it's clear that s.mart is way too big. these crackwhores need to step back.

[pgolf]

A device invented to describe how great Ray Robinson relative to his boxing peers. The P4P by definition is a hypothetical if fighters weighed the same who would win. If SRR and Joe Lewis weighted the same SRR would probably win therefore he gets a higher p4p ranking over The Brown Bomber.

To a certain extent it is BS because its uber subjective and it's hypothetical nature. But, like it or not it is more important now than ever. It has become a great marketing tool for boxing. A way to entice "casual fans" to watch the "best" fighters of our time.

Boxing has a handicap compared to other sports. There are no grand slam championships, world cups, superbowl, Stanley cup, NBA finals, etc.. We have weight divisions with more belts than anyone would care about. P4P keeps boxing interesting to the casual observer who does not have the time or care to religiously follow the sport. The same fans who makes up a majority of these million ppv buys and the same people boxing sponsors target.

To the avid fan it's not as important, but important enough to get people to engage in conversation regarding their personal p4p or talk about it's merits or impediments (such as this post).

Without a deep HW division and/or p4p BS rankings, boxing would be more irrelevant in the sports world.

[E-Thug]

yeah, *****s are so ****ing dumb. they think that just cause jmm is top 5 p4p he can jump from LW to WW and be effective. what are these biitches smoking? they think pac can fight s.mart when it's clear that s.mart is way too big. these crackwhores need to step back.

The hell u sayin man, both pacquaio and floyd and both their extremely hardcore fanbases are extremely delusional

[Bushbaby]

A device invented to describe how great Ray Robinson relative to his boxing peers. The P4P by definition is a hypothetical if fighters weighed the same who would win. If SRR and Joe Lewis weighted the same SRR would probably win therefore he gets a higher p4p ranking over The Brown Bomber.

To a certain extent it is BS because its uber subjective and it's hypothetical nature. But, like it or not it is more important now than ever. It has become a great marketing tool for boxing. A way to entice "casual fans" to watch the "best" fighters of our time.

Boxing has a handicap compared to other sports. There are no grand slam championships, world cups, superbowl, Stanley cup, NBA finals, etc.. We have weight divisions with more belts than anyone would care about. P4P keeps boxing interesting to the casual observer who does not have the time or care to religiously follow the sport. The same fans who makes up a majority of these million ppv buys and the same people boxing sponsors target.

To the avid fan it's not as important, but important enough to get people to engage in conversation regarding their personal p4p or talk about it's merits or impediments (such as this post).

Without a deep HW division and/or p4p BS rankings, boxing would be more irrelevant in the sports world.

Thank for the post it was well written & had great points,green k given!

[Thread Stealer]

A device invented to describe how great Ray Robinson relative to his boxing peers. The P4P by definition is a hypothetical if fighters weighed the same who would win. If SRR and Joe Lewis weighted the same SRR would probably win therefore he gets a higher p4p ranking over The Brown Bomber.

To a certain extent it is BS because its uber subjective and it's hypothetical nature. But, like it or not it is more important now than ever. It has become a great marketing tool for boxing. A way to entice "casual fans" to watch the "best" fighters of our time.

Boxing has a handicap compared to other sports. There are no grand slam championships, world cups, superbowl, Stanley cup, NBA finals, etc.. We have weight divisions with more belts than anyone would care about. P4P keeps boxing interesting to the casual observer who does not have the time or care to religiously follow the sport. The same fans who makes up a majority of these million ppv buys and the same people boxing sponsors target.

To the avid fan it's not as important, but important enough to get people to engage in conversation regarding their personal p4p or talk about it's merits or impediments (such as this post).

Without a deep HW division and/or p4p BS rankings, boxing would be more irrelevant in the sports world.

Pound for pound was actually used before Ray Robinson. Robinson just made the term more popular and used widely.

Writers described Bob Fitzsimmons and Tony Canzoneri as being the "pound for pound best" before Robinson.

I generally don't take P4P that seriously, but I guess with titles meaning less nowadays, it's important when it comes to marketing fights/fighters.