Lennox Lewis vs Joe Frazier

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  • nomadman
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    #21
    Lennox, and it's not even close.

    Aside from the obvious physical disadvantages Frazier would have, stylistically he would be one of the easiest matchups for Lennox who, when he was motivated and prepared (which I'll assume is the case here), had very little trouble with shorter stocky puncher types. Frazier would be one of the gutiest and most relentless fighters he's fought, but far from the toughest or hardest hitting. He would also not be the trickiest fighter Lennox has fought either, and after a feeling out round I can see Lennox starting to time uppercuts straight into Frazier's grill whenever he tried to bob and work his way inside. Any one of those shots would be brutal and have a high chance of dropping Frazier, the way they dropped Tyson and nearly dropped Vitali. At the very least they'd bruise and possibly cut Frazier up, which would not help his cause any.

    Frazier, on the other hand, would have to get inside to do damage, but even if he did start having some success there, Lennox would be able to switch up his game and box keep him on the backfoot. Frazier's head movment would allow him to slip some of Lennox's shots, but not all, and he'd have a hard time getting his own shots off. Lennox was good at modulating his punches to suit his opponent's rhythm, and if he found his big shots missing he'd probably hang back and start pestering Frazier with his jab, or just sticking his glove in Frazier's face, before pivoting and dropping in a heavy right hand. He would also be leaning on him heavily in the clinches, and that would take its toll on Frazier's legs. Frazier would hold his own for a round or two, but by the mid-point I can see him looking battered and bloodied and way down on the cards, if he hasn't already been stopped, still game but taking tremendous punishment from a fired up Lennox. Either the ref steps in to call a halt to the fight, or Frazier gets taken out by an uppercut/big right hand sometime in the eighth or ninth.

    Lest anyone say that Lennox has never seen anyone like Frazier, the opposite is just as true. More so, since the closest Frazier came to a Lennox type fighter was Foreman who beat him twice, whilst Lennox took on several shorter fighters harder hitting and more resilient than Frazier, though lacking his phenomenal heart and drive to win, and handled them with ease.

    Big respect to Frazier, but Lennox takes this.
    Last edited by nomadman; 01-07-2011, 07:25 PM.

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      #22
      Originally posted by King Ghidorah
      who wins?


      Which fighter pulls this one out?
      Lewis by Murder.

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        #23
        Originally posted by The Surgeon
        And Lennox is no George Foreman either, He just isnt the same puncher or nearly as brutal and devastating going forward as Big George.
        I actually consider Lewis to be a harder puncher than Foreman, as controversial as that statement may be. His punches had tremendous explosiveness as well as concussive force, and he knew how to put all his weight into his shots. The right hand he landed on Rahman must surely rank as one of the hardest punches ever thrown in a prize fighting ring, as was the punch he landed to KO Tyson.




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          #24
          Originally posted by King Ghidorah
          Joe's quicker, and can slip that right hand all night.... One good left hook to that glass jaw of LL and hes sleeping.....
          When will this nonsense ever be put to rest?

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            #25
            Originally posted by madsweeney
            I call Frazier, his constant pressure and swarming would get him in on Lewis. The size disparity would actually work to Joes favor IMO considering his bob and weave would minimize Lewis' jab and leave Lewis wide open for nasty bodywork.

            Foreman was a hell of a puncher and was strurdy enough guy to take Joe's best, that is why he beat him. Lewis doesn't have Foreman's punch or Ali's speed and he'll have to give up some height just to reach the guy when he's bobbin and weavin.
            I can't really see how having to punch up at an opponent is a benefit, even if he is going to go mainly to the body, something that'll be difficult with Lennox leaning down on him on the inside. Frazier would probably make Lennox whiff a lot of his punches in the early going, but like I said in the other post he's not going to be in the best position to land punches himself and Lennox has a sneaky way of pushing fighters' heads down, or using his lead glove to pivot them around in order to land his right. He would also be timing his excellent uppercut to catch Frazier as he ducked low. As for his jab, I think you underestimate the degree to which he could use it in a fight. Depending on the circumstances, he could switch it about, paw it, keep it in an opponent's face or just straight blast with it. And he always found a way to make it work to his benefit in a fight. Frazier would be having a hellish time trying to work his way in, and sooner or later he's going to be eating one of Lennox's big shots. At that point one of four things happens: he gets stunned, he gets cut, he gets KDed, he gets KOed. Frazier was tough, but he wasn't that tough.

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              #26
              i'm sure the guys in the history section would ball up and cry if they saw this thread. don't you guys know it's impossible for a recent fighter to beat anyone pre 1980?

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