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  • Is 40 Year Old Shaker Shane MOSLEY the Fastest Opponent PACQUIAO Has Faced?

    Can you please name the Pacquiao opponents who were faster - or nearly as fast - as Abuelo Mosley?

    http://www.east_side_boxing.com/news.php?p=26276&more=1

    As we did for the Clottey and Margarito fights we have to invent some compelling aspect that we can look forward to get us motivated as fans for this upcoming match. In this case, the real point of interest for me is the punching power of Shane Mosley and the speed in which he delivers his right hand. I know that many have viewed Shane’s last 2 fights and have written him off and its true by the time this fight comes off he’ll be another 5 months older which for a 39 year old is another check mark in the “bad” column. But, one thing that fighters hold on to even late in their careers is their punching power and Mosley still has his which he delivers with very good speed for a man of any age. One thing I’ve learned over the years is that drawing conclusions based on one’s past opponents who technically have nothing in common with your upcoming opponent is dicey at best. As we all know, styles make fights and this at least on paper would appear to be a good little scrap. There are virtually no style similarities between Floyd Mayweather Jr, Sergio Mora and Manny Pacquiao. Mosley will not have to deal with a tall fighter who uses every tactic in the world NOT to exchange ands he also won’t have to deal with quite possibly the greatest defensive fighter of the last 30 years. Manny Pacquiao likes to exchange and his mindset is such that he feels he owes his fans that much so this will be very different for Shane than his last two fights even though the results may end up being the same. There’s at least some reason for optimism he strictly from a styles match up. There’s also a very real possibility for fire works early when Shane is at his best. One thing is clear, Manny will mix and so will Shane if given the opportunity so that’s good news for us.

    Cus D Amato used to say that a great old fighter is always capable of delivering one last great performance and for Mosley fans this better be it because there is nothing on the horizon past Pacquiao so either he pulls off a win OR fights well enough to create enough fan demand for a rematch. Either one will do for a man who clearly knows this is his last fight at an elite level and he must make the most of it.

    So, what do we have to look forward to? Well, one thing is clear Shane Mosley like Manny Pacquiao does much better against fighters than he does against boxers so that alone should peak our interest. Now, that is not to say that Manny doesn’t have the ability to move and keep himself safe while out maneuvering and out landing Mosley. In my mind, that’s the most likely scenario here. Manny uses his legs as a primary source of defense and if he chooses to take that course it will be difficult to impossible for Shane to keep pace. But, if Manny decides to make a statement on Shane then who knows!?! The reason some insiders refuse to dismiss this fight as easily as others is largely because of Manny’s defensive vulnerability. Pacquiao gets hit and even though he’s proven to have a major league chin people still point to the fact that he’s hittable as a primary reason for hope. Those who support Shane focus on the combination of his speed and power as the reason they believe he will emerge with the upset win. We’ll see…

    Mosley, regardless of what you think about his last two outings is the most physically gifted fighter Manny has faced since Juan Manuel Marquez back in 2008. He is also the biggest puncher Manny has ever faced so you can expect both of those elements to be played up in the promotion leading up to the fight. Now, those are the obvious positive elements of this match up but the negatives are also all too obvious. Mosley is rapidly aging and his career no matter what anyone says publicly is quickly winding down. In fact, this may be one fight too many for Shane and considering the damage Pacquiao inflicted on Antonio Margarito there should be some concern for Mosley’s well being. There are a lot of boxing insiders who theorize that the real reason “Sugar” Shane Mosley was awarded this fight is the fact that his skills have diminished to such an extent that he poses no serious threat to Manny Pacquiao. Some have also said that that matchmaking is really the real key to Manny’s recent success and this fight is just another in a long line of a damaged opponents. I mean you can make that argument and you could probably at least support that theory by reviewing his last two opponents.
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    Yes. Shaker Shane is the fastest guy Pac has faced.
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    No. Juan Manuel Marquez is faster than Shaker Shane.
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    Morales...he threw quick combinations, shane can only really throw one quick shot now since he is old

    Morales on the other hand threw lots of combinations at a good speed

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Gino Ros View Post
      Can you please name the Pacquiao opponents who were faster - or nearly as fast - as Abuelo Mosley?

      http://www.east_side_boxing.com/news.php?p=26276&more=1

      As we did for the Clottey and Margarito fights we have to invent some compelling aspect that we can look forward to get us motivated as fans for this upcoming match. In this case, the real point of interest for me is the punching power of Shane Mosley and the speed in which he delivers his right hand. I know that many have viewed Shane’s last 2 fights and have written him off and its true by the time this fight comes off he’ll be another 5 months older which for a 39 year old is another check mark in the “bad” column. But, one thing that fighters hold on to even late in their careers is their punching power and Mosley still has his which he delivers with very good speed for a man of any age. One thing I’ve learned over the years is that drawing conclusions based on one’s past opponents who technically have nothing in common with your upcoming opponent is dicey at best. As we all know, styles make fights and this at least on paper would appear to be a good little scrap. There are virtually no style similarities between Floyd Mayweather Jr, Sergio Mora and Manny Pacquiao. Mosley will not have to deal with a tall fighter who uses every tactic in the world NOT to exchange ands he also won’t have to deal with quite possibly the greatest defensive fighter of the last 30 years. Manny Pacquiao likes to exchange and his mindset is such that he feels he owes his fans that much so this will be very different for Shane than his last two fights even though the results may end up being the same. There’s at least some reason for optimism he strictly from a styles match up. There’s also a very real possibility for fire works early when Shane is at his best. One thing is clear, Manny will mix and so will Shane if given the opportunity so that’s good news for us.

      Cus D Amato used to say that a great old fighter is always capable of delivering one last great performance and for Mosley fans this better be it because there is nothing on the horizon past Pacquiao so either he pulls off a win OR fights well enough to create enough fan demand for a rematch. Either one will do for a man who clearly knows this is his last fight at an elite level and he must make the most of it.

      So, what do we have to look forward to? Well, one thing is clear Shane Mosley like Manny Pacquiao does much better against fighters than he does against boxers so that alone should peak our interest. Now, that is not to say that Manny doesn’t have the ability to move and keep himself safe while out maneuvering and out landing Mosley. In my mind, that’s the most likely scenario here. Manny uses his legs as a primary source of defense and if he chooses to take that course it will be difficult to impossible for Shane to keep pace. But, if Manny decides to make a statement on Shane then who knows!?! The reason some insiders refuse to dismiss this fight as easily as others is largely because of Manny’s defensive vulnerability. Pacquiao gets hit and even though he’s proven to have a major league chin people still point to the fact that he’s hittable as a primary reason for hope. Those who support Shane focus on the combination of his speed and power as the reason they believe he will emerge with the upset win. We’ll see…

      Mosley, regardless of what you think about his last two outings is the most physically gifted fighter Manny has faced since Juan Manuel Marquez back in 2008. He is also the biggest puncher Manny has ever faced so you can expect both of those elements to be played up in the promotion leading up to the fight. Now, those are the obvious positive elements of this match up but the negatives are also all too obvious. Mosley is rapidly aging and his career no matter what anyone says publicly is quickly winding down. In fact, this may be one fight too many for Shane and considering the damage Pacquiao inflicted on Antonio Margarito there should be some concern for Mosley’s well being. There are a lot of boxing insiders who theorize that the real reason “Sugar” Shane Mosley was awarded this fight is the fact that his skills have diminished to such an extent that he poses no serious threat to Manny Pacquiao. Some have also said that that matchmaking is really the real key to Manny’s recent success and this fight is just another in a long line of a damaged opponents. I mean you can make that argument and you could probably at least support that theory by reviewing his last two opponents.
      I think its safe to say that the fighters pac faced at 135 and below were logically faster, but what mosley has is the combination of speed AND power.

      His biggest problem is his stamina IMO. Nonetheless, it would be interesting to see how this fight would turn out, fight wise and PPV wise.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by lfc19titles View Post
        Morales...he threw quick combinations, shane can only really throw one quick shot now since he is old

        Morales on the other hand threw lots of combinations at a good speed
        I actually would have expected Barrera ahead of Erik. Not that MAB was so 'fast', per se. But his timing and accuracy are typically so superb.

        But in terms of raw handspeed, I believe that SSM is faster than Erik.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by AFighter4U View Post
          I think its safe to say that the fighters pac faced at 135 and below were logically faster, but what mosley has is the combination of speed AND power.

          .
          Not necessarily.

          Shane can be 160, and he would still be faster than David Diaz.

          Sergio Martinez is faster than Karrass.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gino Ros View Post
            I actually would have expected Barrera ahead of Erik. Not that MAB was so 'fast', per se. But his timing and accuracy are typically so superb.

            But in terms of raw handspeed, I believe that SSM is faster than Erik.
            dunno, maybe 10 years ago, mosley was ermm like a gallet gun (you know terminator style), now he really is a one punch one hope pony for me.

            I aint seen the barrera fight for months, saw the morales ones like 3 weeks ago, so maybe thats clouding my judgment.

            Mosley is going to get ass ****d, i dont think he will land hardly any shots, he has no stamina as shown in the floyd fight, the guy gassed out after like 3 roiunds

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            • #7
              shane is'nt even fast anymore(compared to what he was and other fast fighters), he shuffles pitty-pat punches in your face nowadays and unleashes with one big punch inbetween

              back in the days he was throwing triple lefts hooks each with power behind them

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              • #8
                Originally posted by JonnyBlayze View Post
                shane is'nt even fast anymore(compared to what he was and other fast fighters), he shuffles pitty-pat punches in your face nowadays and unleashes with one big punch inbetween

                back in the days he was throwing triple lefts hooks each with power behind them

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                • #9
                  JMM is faster at combination punching than Shane is. People forget that fat, slowed down Marquez tagged Floyd easily with combinations but he hd no power to hurt or scare Floyd.

                  As others have said, Mosley is quick at throwing a singular punch but he rarely throws more than that at a time. Morales and Marquez both are faster at throwing multiple punches. Mosley is gonna be overwhelmed and quickly come to the conclusion that he is in WAY over his head. Pac will show mercey near the end of the fight but Shane will be a bettered mess long before then.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gino Ros View Post
                    Not necessarily.

                    Shane can be 160, and he would still be faster than David Diaz.

                    Sergio Martinez is faster than Karrass.
                    True, true, since Shane is indeed the exception to the rule when it comes to speed. But it only means he's faster than SOME of the fighters Pac faced. I sincerely doubt if he's faster than JMM or even Morales.

                    But like i said earlier, his speed is extremely limited in the sense that he no longer has the stamina to maintain it.

                    I'd say Shane has a puncher's chance at this point.
                    Last edited by AFighter4U; 01-02-2011, 12:20 PM.

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