Getting inside of Vitaly

[tri4ben2]

I always hear about how fighters think they can get inside of Vitaly and break him down, but what people don't realize is that Vitaly has a fantastic jab and he makes his living keeping smaller (which is just about everybody) fighters away from him.

Now looking back throughout history, who could have got inside him?

Joe Louis got inside Carnera and broke him down, but Carnera did not have a huge jab. Note: I may have the names down, but whoever got inside Carnera and beat him to a pulp is who I am talking about.

Joe Frazier always tried to get inside and rake your body, but when he tried that against Foreman, Forman killed him.

Mike Tyson was probably the best at getting inside he was able to beat many taller guys in his youth. Unfortunately, by the time he got to Lewis, he was shot and Lewis was able to keep him away with the jab.

Today, there are not a lot of heavyweight that have great body attacks. Perhaps Toney, but Toney is going to be giving away about 11 inches of height, and about 30 pounds.

The heavyweight that beats Vitaly will have to be used to being the smaller guy even though he is 6'4 240, and he has to be quick enough to slip the jab and get inside. Buy guys that big are used to throwing bombs and by the time they fight Vitaly will be stuck in their ways.

When Vitaly fights caustiously at a distance, there is nobody right now, or even ever, that can get inside and beat him. But that is what everbody's strategy is. Why is that?

If I was creating a fighter to beat Vitaly, I would mold him into a Larry Donald type who has very good reflexes and can pot shot Vitaly, the same way Jones did to Ruiz and win a 12 round fight without a lot of action. Note: This does not mean that I think Larry Donald will beat Vitaly.

When Vitaly loses, I think it will be when he gets caught while trading. There were moments that I though he could (not would) get knocked out against Sanders, and it think situaations like that can result in a knockout loss.

So how do you beat Vitaly?

[dempseyfire]

Well, you would be right, except that Vitali's jab sucks. It's slow, has litte snap, and he doesn't bring it back fast enough. I would say Carnera and Klitschko had equal jabs. Klitschko has a nice straight hand, but he leaves himself wide open after he throws it.

To get inside Klitschko, you would have to double up on the jab, then throw a few hooks to the body, constantly moving your upper body, using foot movement (things Danny Williams just did not do), for the first 4-5 rounds. Then head to inside on the tired guy and just throw the shorter shots on the inside that Klitschko wouldn't be able to counter b/c he's so tall and his arms are so long . . . it would take stamina and a good chin to be successful b/c Klitschko will hit you with some right hands as you come in, but with a guy who's fast he wouldn't land too often . . .Klitschko has found success recently vs guys with very limited gameplans and no fight discipline (Williams just went in there trying to brawl and didn't take his time and try to box a little), plus his last 3 opponents have been grotesqly overweight. . . .
An inshape Toney would embarass Klitshko. Rahman has a small chance, and Byrd might pull a decision. After watching last Sat.'s fight, I was not impressed at all. Danny Williams made David Izon look like Ray Robinson . . .

[LuKahnLi]

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[jack_the_rippuh]

"Getting inside of Vitali"???????

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[Riddick]

Big George would destroy Vitali. In his prime he was master at cutting off the ring. In his autobiography The Greatest, Muhamad Ali recalls that his original game plan was to box Foreman from distance but when he realized how good George was at cutting off the ring, he came up with the rope-a-dope plan. IMO that is real testament to Ali's greatness.

[urdaddyinAZ]

Larry Holmes in his prime would out jab Vitali and totally throw him off his game.

[grimeycat]

rock beats vitali just watch.......

[GranTorino]

[QUOTE=dempseyfire]Well, you would be right, except that Vitali's jab sucks. It's slow, has litte snap, and he doesn't bring it back fast enough.


Apparently, that's been plenty good enough to put down every single fighter that he has beaten, except one. Looks like that jab works just fine.

[neils7147933]

Is this a Neuraxis sex fantasy thread?

[marvdave]

I don't think any of the smallish heavys will do well against VK..including Toney. He is to big and too active for those guys. I think it will eventually be a big heavy with a big right hand that will get to him. He keeps that left down dangerously. If Rahman is in shape, I would give him a decent chance to pull the upset.