Comments Thread For: Pacquiao's Adviser Talks Mosley, Mayweather, More

[SluggerFan]

Then he fought Hatton who was the lineal champ at 140 if I remember correctly.

And not only was Ricky Hatton the lineal champ at 140 lbs, he was also undefeated at 140 lbs. Floyd made him come up to 147 lbs to fight him and he lost, which he almost lost his first fight at 147 lbs to Collazo. So, Hatton was undefeated at 140 lbs and insisted that 147 lbs was too much and that 140 lbs was his correct and best weight...

Some people just cannot accept it when someone they don't like succeeds. It's too bad really but what you gonna do. I guess coming out of retirement to "fight the best, beat the best and become the best" (as Floyd Jr. and his team repeatedly stated) includes fighting a small great fighter in JMM and fighting Mosley then going on vacation. The fight with Clottey and Mosley for Pacquaio and Mayweather respectively was a perfect way to set up the super fight for November of 2010. Plenty of time to promote it properly and get the world buzzing. It just wasn't meant to be I guess. But I gotta say coming out of retirement fighting JMM and Mosley then disappearing again is not what I call "fighting the best, beating the best and becoming the best!"

[WESS]

You cats need to slow down when trying to discredit Manny. He fought Oscar when nobody gave him a chance to win, had to jump 2 weight classes to do it and then dominated him. Now everyone wanna claim Oscar was weight drained, blah blah. Tsk, tsk, tsk. You haters are something else.

Then he fought Hatton who was the lineal champ at 140 if I remember correctly.

After that he fought Miguel Cotto, welterweight champ and only one loss under his belt. Yes he could've fought Mosley then but Cotto had a win over Mosley, and was a top rank fighter making the fight much easier to make. Some of you people acting like Manny skipped over Mosley to fight some of the bums Andre Berto gets matched up with.

After that he couldn't fight Mosley cause Mosley was tied up with Berto, so he fought Clottey. Yes he was coming off a loss but he was competitive in his loss. Sort of like Sergio Martinez was competitive in a loss against Paul Williams. Did that mean Martinez shouldn't be fighting Pavlik afterwards?

The Margarito fight was crap, just a way to grab another belt and this fight may well be another walk in the park for Manny but damn stop trying to discredit every win the man has had lately. Some of you cats' hate just blinds you.

Yes, he rightfully beat Oscar but who are you kidding. Freddie Roach was telling "us"/everyone that Hoya was shot and couldnt pull the trigger anymore. Hell I called it WELL before the fight happened. I knew De La Hoya was going to be shot. Hell before the fight Roach pointed and laughed at the IV holes in his arm. Remember Roach trained Hoya and failed to beat Mayweather. Roach knew how Hoya would perform. It's the reason they took the fight. They had a former coach of Hoya's to there advantage. But yes Hoya got what he deserved so to speak. He still got paid a lot of money though.

As for Hatton, dude was shyt before Mayweather made him "MOVE UP"... and what is this "move up" business. That's about as moving up for Hatton as Pac "moving up" to JMW. They DON'T call Ricky Hatton "FATTON" for noting. Hell Floyd did him a favor he didn't have to lose so much beer weight. Dude walks around like a FAT A$$. Plus it's not like he NEVER fought at 147 before. Hatton was a coach less coke head by the time Pac fought him. Weak-minded and still butt hurt of how he was embarrassed from losing to Mayweather. Remember Floyd beat a UNDEFEATED confident (still a bum IMO) Ricky Hatton. Anyway what Floyd did with JMM was shameful as he is NOT a WW. Mayweather Hatton was an excellent fight. Hatton was a never has been (IMO) before him and Floyd fought and he was certainly shyt after Pac fought him. JMM has no bussiness AT WW and if him and Pac where to fight for a 3rd time, it should be AT JWW where both can make weight just fine.

Cotto was a "good" fight for Pac yet NOBODY can answer the question Why did Pac fight De Lo Hoya at WW (no "catch") but needed a "catchweight" with Cotto? Was it that they KNEW Hoya was shot or that Cotto was a REAL threat and needed to make him lose weight and get as many advantages possible? Again it could have been a "great" fight but instead its only "good" because his actions validate how he "selects certain fighters AT certain weight classes AT certain weights". i.e. Hoya at WW but a catch for Cotto. Selecting to fight a career WW in Margarito to fight for a vacant JMW title and then asking a LW/JWW to "move up" to WW when Pac himself didnt even WIN his WW OR JMW titkes without a "catch" let alone wieighing the WW max of 147 ever in his career. He can make JWW easily but chooses not to so JMM will have to fight at a weight he is KNOWN to look really bad at the one and only time fighting that high.

As for fighting Mosley who was the #1 WW. They "ducked" him because he was too good. If you want to say WELLLLLLLLLLL Cotto beat him already bla bla bla bla... well what changed now? Besides him losing (BADLY) to Floyd, drawing with a subpar Mora, about to be 40 years old and hasn't won a fight in 2 years???????? I'll wait for your answer on that.....

and your right about Margarito it was crap just as the Clottey fight was and JUST as this Mosley fight will be. How do we expect Pac to get in the ring with Mayweather (if he returns) when he wont even get in the ring with a LW/JWW Champion in JMM, a UNDEFEATED WW CHampion in Berto or a JMW/MW CHampion in Martinez? All weight classes he has fought at?

Why must Berto and JMM prove they deserve a shot while a losing 40 year old Mosley gets "handed" a shot? Why must CHAMPIONS "prove" themselves yet "former" champions/washed up/old/cheaters get handed a fight like Clottey, Margarito and now Mosley? You cant justify this fight..... There is NO excuse.

[SceneSpectator!]

Once Floyd lost just once, he will becomes an ordinary fighter, and he will go down just like the others with this fate, and he knows this, that's why he fears fighting Pacman because he have all the tools of making this a reality.

[SluggerFan]

JMM has no bussiness AT WW and if him and Pac where to fight for a 3rd time, it should be AT JWW where both can make weight just fine.

Personally, I don't see what the big deal is if Pacquaio were to fight JMM at 147 lbs. maximum. The thing is this! Manny would not weigh one pound over 144 lbs and if he were smart, he would probably weigh between 141 to 142 lbs to retain the speed he would need to compete with JMM. Then JMM could weigh 140.1 lb (or add weights in his pocket like RJJ did when he fought John Ruiz). He then would make the welterweight limit and the fight would be a go. The thing is Manny is a full-fledged welterweight now, has surpassed JMM in opponents fought and beaten and has far surpassed his popularity. I mean, Pacquaio can fight Clottey and draw 700k PPVs. JMM fights Katsidis which had must see TV written all over it (and an awesome fight it was) and nobody cared except us hardcore fans. So, with Manny being the man (like Mayweather before him), he gets to call the shots. If Manny were to fight JMM at the 147 lb limit, neither fighter would even be close to that at the weigh in, trust me on that (unless Manny didn't train properly, which I guess is always a possibility but yet to be seen)...

And just so everyone knows where I stand, I would rather not see the Pacquiao vs Mosley fight but it does stand as the one opponent that is available now that can generate the most revenue. Even if a JMM fight did do the same amount of PPVs (which I don't think it would), they would charge more money for seats for a Mosley fight and generate more revenue at the gate. I don't want to see this fight but I understand why Arum (scumbag as he is) made it...

[Vader21]

Yes, he rightfully beat Oscar but who are you kidding. Freddie Roach was telling "us"/everyone that Hoya was shot and couldnt pull the trigger anymore. Hell I called it WELL before the fight happened. I knew De La Hoya was going to be shot. Hell before the fight Roach pointed and laughed at the IV holes in his arm. Remember Roach trained Hoya and failed to beat Mayweather. Roach knew how Hoya would perform. It's the reason they took the fight. They had a former coach of Hoya's to there advantage. But yes Hoya got what he deserved so to speak. He still got paid a lot of money though.

As for Hatton, dude was shyt before Mayweather made him "MOVE UP"... and what is this "move up" business. That's about as moving up for Hatton as Pac "moving up" to JMW. They DON'T call Ricky Hatton "FATTON" for noting. Hell Floyd did him a favor he didn't have to lose so much beer weight. Dude walks around like a FAT A$$. Plus it's not like he NEVER fought at 147 before. Hatton was a coach less coke head by the time Pac fought him. Weak-minded and still butt hurt of how he was embarrassed from losing to Mayweather. Remember Floyd beat a UNDEFEATED confident (still a bum IMO) Ricky Hatton. Anyway what Floyd did with JMM was shameful as he is NOT a WW. Mayweather Hatton was an excellent fight. Hatton was a never has been (IMO) before him and Floyd fought and he was certainly shyt after Pac fought him. JMM has no bussiness AT WW and if him and Pac where to fight for a 3rd time, it should be AT JWW where both can make weight just fine.

Cotto was a "good" fight for Pac yet NOBODY can answer the question Why did Pac fight De Lo Hoya at WW (no "catch") but needed a "catchweight" with Cotto? Was it that they KNEW Hoya was shot or that Cotto was a REAL threat and needed to make him lose weight and get as many advantages possible? Again it could have been a "great" fight but instead its only "good" because his actions validate how he "selects certain fighters AT certain weight classes AT certain weights". i.e. Hoya at WW but a catch for Cotto. Selecting to fight a career WW in Margarito to fight for a vacant JMW title and then asking a LW/JWW to "move up" to WW when Pac himself didnt even WIN his WW OR JMW titkes without a "catch" let alone wieighing the WW max of 147 ever in his career. He can make JWW easily but chooses not to so JMM will have to fight at a weight he is KNOWN to look really bad at the one and only time fighting that high.

As for fighting Mosley who was the #1 WW. They "ducked" him because he was too good. If you want to say WELLLLLLLLLLL Cotto beat him already bla bla bla bla... well what changed now? Besides him losing (BADLY) to Floyd, drawing with a subpar Mora, about to be 40 years old and hasn't won a fight in 2 years???????? I'll wait for your answer on that.....

and your right about Margarito it was crap just as the Clottey fight was and JUST as this Mosley fight will be. How do we expect Pac to get in the ring with Mayweather (if he returns) when he wont even get in the ring with a LW/JWW Champion in JMM, a UNDEFEATED WW CHampion in Berto or a JMW/MW CHampion in Martinez? All weight classes he has fought at?

Why must Berto and JMM prove they deserve a shot while a losing 40 year old Mosley gets "handed" a shot? Why must CHAMPIONS "prove" themselves yet "former" champions/washed up/old/cheaters get handed a fight like Clottey, Margarito and now Mosley? You cant justify this fight..... There is NO excuse.

I sense much hate in you. Regardless of what you thought about the Oscar fight it doesn't mean the fight wasn't suppose to be a mismatch in oscars favor. You gotta situate yourself at the time the fight took place which is something the majority of people who are quick to hate forget to do.

As for the cot to fight, you can claim he ducked mostly but like I said it's not like he fought a bum. He chose to fight another champmwhich had a win over mosley. Had he fought mostly I get a feeling you would be saying he ducked cot to. The thing that has changed since then is that mosley isn't with golden boy anymore and pacquiao is running out of opponents.

I'm not justifying the fight o don't have the blind hate some people have where they go around trying tom discredit fighters and act like other fighters are their girlfriend.

[WESS]

I sense much hate in you. Regardless of what you thought about the Oscar fight it doesn't mean the fight wasn't suppose to be a mismatch in oscars favor. You gotta situate yourself at the time the fight took place which is something the majority of people who are quick to hate forget to do.

As for the cot to fight, you can claim he ducked mostly but like I said it's not like he fought a bum. He chose to fight another champmwhich had a win over mosley. Had he fought mostly I get a feeling you would be saying he ducked cot to. The thing that has changed since then is that mosley isn't with golden boy anymore and pacquiao is running out of opponents.

I'm not justifying the fight o don't have the blind hate some people have where they go around trying tom discredit fighters and act like other fighters are their girlfriend.

You "sense" wrong, as I am a HUGE fan of Pac's but VERY disappointed. Many get so easily confused with this just for the fact that I think Mayweather clowns Pac in the ring.. That's not hate, its the people that HATE Floyd so much that think I hate Pac for having an opinion of this..... quit funny and displays how simple minded they are......

Anyway Yes I CALLED the Hoya fight at the time. I didn't pay to watch the garbage. I like Roach (AS A TRAINER) and knew what he said at the time made perfect sense about Hoya. I knew Hoya was just looking for a pay check. All Roaches points where validated when Hoya showed up with IV holes in his arm....

You seem to over look the point about Cotto. Again no problem fighting De La Hoya AT WW just needed at "Catch" to fight Cotto. Why? Was Cotto a threat and they needed an advantage or did they know De La Hoya was shot? Either way its not helping your agenda..... This goes back to the FACT of Pac hand selecting certain fighters AT certain weight classes AT certain weights... Just like he did when "selecting" to fight Margarito for a vacant JMW title AT a catchweight. Or demanding to fight JMM AT WW when Pac himself DIDN'T even win the WW title without some kind of "catchweight"..... hypercritical on his part.

As for ducking Mosley, he DID and said he was "too good" as he WAS the #1 WW. Im a disappointed fan. You are completely blind and or biased if you have no idea why.

[WESS]

Personally, I don't see what the big deal is if Pacquaio were to fight JMM at 147 lbs. maximum. The thing is this! Manny would not weigh one pound over 144 lbs and if he were smart, he would probably weigh between 141 to 142 lbs to retain the speed he would need to compete with JMM. Then JMM could weigh 140.1 lb (or add weights in his pocket like RJJ did when he fought John Ruiz). He then would make the welterweight limit and the fight would be a go. The thing is Manny is a full-fledged welterweight now, has surpassed JMM in opponents fought and beaten and has far surpassed his popularity. I mean, Pacquaio can fight Clottey and draw 700k PPVs. JMM fights Katsidis which had must see TV written all over it (and an awesome fight it was) and nobody cared except us hardcore fans. So, with Manny being the man (like Mayweather before him), he gets to call the shots. If Manny were to fight JMM at the 147 lb limit, neither fighter would even be close to that at the weigh in, trust me on that (unless Manny didn't train properly, which I guess is always a possibility but yet to be seen)...

And just so everyone knows where I stand, I would rather not see the Pacquiao vs Mosley fight but it does stand as the one opponent that is available now that can generate the most revenue. Even if a JMM fight did do the same amount of PPVs (which I don't think it would), they would charge more money for seats for a Mosley fight and generate more revenue at the gate. I don't want to see this fight but I understand why Arum (scumbag as he is) made it...

Like I said its the point behind it. Pac can make JWW. Why wont he make it a meaningful fight and fight AT JWW?

JMM should not fight at WW. He's a LW and JWW is already "moving up" enough for him. If Pac wont make a fight at JWW than fight the CHAMPION AT WW..... He again needs an advantage. Many advantages over Mosley at this point.... Arum has an agenda and Berto and JMM let alone Mayweather are not on it. Cotto AT 154 next year... regardless of who's around and who deserves what.... Bob has a plan, he will say everyone else is pricing themselves out or scared, ducking etc.... He'll make Pac vs Cotto II. Again, its very disappointing.

They say the LW/JWW Champion and undefeated WW Champion must "prove" themselves yet nobody can answer what Clottey, Margarito or Mosley did to get handed a fight?

Berto AT WW
JMM AT JWW

Pac can make either weight class easily...

[SluggerFan]

Pac can make either weight class easily...

Just because Team Pac or Roach said that Manny can make the 140 lbs weight easily (that was well over a year ago that Roach said it), that may not be the case anymore. Come on, Roach and Team Pac (like every other boxing team) change their stories from minute to minute. Also, Manny is over 32 years old now and everyone knows that age is 'older' for a smaller fighter and Manny has been in many wars during his career. It looked like he may have made 144.6 lbs easily against Margarito, but maybe it wasn't so easy. What if he signed to fight JMM at 140 lbs, squeezed down to 142 and then had to completely struggle to remove those last two pounds. Don't scoff because as fighters age, those last couple of pounds are always the hardest to lose. And if that is the case, why should he have to move down and kill himself to make weight. He is the King now, anybody who fights him will make a career payday (including Mayweather) and he shouldn't have to strain to make weight for anyone. He said after Margarito that he will only campaign as a welterweight now, he never once said he could or would move down a division...

And, on top of that, I didn't see JMM make any bones about it either. He said 147 lbs was fine with him, as long as he gets another shot. And JMM is no dummy, he knows that Pacquaio will never weigh close to the 147 lbs limit anyway...

[WESS]

Just because Team Pac or Roach said that Manny can make the 140 lbs weight easily (that was well over a year ago that Roach said it), that may not be the case anymore. Come on, Roach and Team Pac (like every other boxing team) change their stories from minute to minute. Also, Manny is over 32 years old now and everyone knows that age is 'older' for a smaller fighter and Manny has been in many wars during his career. It looked like he may have made 144.6 lbs easily against Margarito, but maybe it wasn't so easy. What if he signed to fight JMM at 140 lbs, squeezed down to 142 and then had to completely struggle to remove those last two pounds. Don't scoff because as fighters age, those last couple of pounds are always the hardest to lose. And if that is the case, why should he have to move down and kill himself to make weight. He is the King now, anybody who fights him will make a career payday (including Mayweather) and he shouldn't have to strain to make weight for anyone. He said after Margarito that he will only campaign as a welterweight now, he never once said he could or would move down a division...

And, on top of that, I didn't see JMM make any bones about it either. He said 147 lbs was fine with him, as long as he gets another shot. And JMM is no dummy, he knows that Pacquaio will never weigh close to the 147 lbs limit anyway...

It's the POINT of it all. He weighed 144 for a JMW TITLE fight. He can make 140 EASILY. On fight night he would be all of 144-146. Nothing out of the norm.

Also if Pac is only fighting AT WW he should be fighting the best at WW. He wont fight the best at LW/JWW or JMW... AT LEAST he can fight the best at WW????? nope afraid not. It took a birthday or two, a loss to Mayweather, a draw to Mora, leaving GBP and for Mosley to not look "too good" in order to get a shot.....

Yet we expect Pac to get in the ring with Mayweather if he returns? We expect Pac to fight the UNDEFEATED WBC WW CHAMPION in Berto? To fight JMM (at JWW where he will be more effective at a lower weight)? Or even fight ANY legit JMW????

Yea, Mayweather sure is the coward here.... Did everyone forget that just a few months ago he beat the #1 WW in Mosley that Pac wanted no part of from 141-147..... yet NOW wants to fight him because other TOP guys (like Mosley WAS) is wanting to fight him. EVER stop and wonder that since Mosley was "too good" then and Pac didn't fight him, that maybe they think Berto is "too good" right now, or JMM is too much of a threat or that Mayweather is just "too great"? It's a fact they avoided Mosley because he looked too good... ever stop and wonder that this ducking excuse isn't being replayed?????

Or is that Arum doesn't like to deal with anyone else???? Either way Floyd has nothing to do with Pac ducking legit guys from 135-154........ you know? CHAMPIONS..... not "former".....

I like Pac, but Arum has an agenda. Arum will not allow Pac to fight Mayweather. Not while he can fight subpar fighters and make that cash. Its a valid statement as Arum's telling the WW CHAMPION and LW CHAMPION to fight each other in order to get a shot at Pac, yet Clottey, Margarito and now Mosley was just handed a shot. NONE WHERE CHAMPIONS. Both JMM and BERTO are champions at there respected weight class. That's more deserving than any of them. Like I said and we expect Arum to put Pac in the ring with Mayweather????? I like how they point the finger his way when its clear as day they wont fight the best.... let alone Mayweather.

but yea, lets blame Mayweather because Arum doesn't like to deal with anyone else and has said he couldn't care any less if the fight was made. Not to mention not caring about making the best matches just what ever sells and has no worries about what the "fans" think..... yea I blame Floyd, Floyd f**kin' Mayweather... It's all his fault. That makes perfect logical sense.. lol

AT JWW:
Pac vs JMM III: THE P4P #3

[v.cassiusali@ya]

after mosley, pacquiao will fight martinez...

there is no sense campaigning in the welterweight division...