Technical analysis of Bhop's style and his waterloos.

[Toney616]

Hopkins is also very smart in recognizing his own limitations thus timely selections of opponents which are best suited to his style; namely smaller opponents or slower if not just as fast as BHOP.

this is all you need to know...

lol at djtmal
off topic: have you watched Hopkins-Dawson yet?

[djtmal]

lol at djtmal
off topic: have you watched Hopkins-Dawson yet?

yes i loaded up on some caffeine and watched it...

[dvb]

Bhop's style typically mirrors a slick boxer/counter-puncher with an extremely high boxing IQ, coupled with a strong mentality but with a somewhat non-exceptional physical gifts.

The latter will be discussed together with Hopkin's waterloos.

Bhop is a quintessential counter-puncher. He utilizes a lot of movement bordering on "running", he gives his opponents defensive angles which are somewhat hard to crack, and he utilizes tactics which are at best questionable and he isnt adamant to use it whenever, wherever. He doesn't have an exceptional jab but makes up for it by being a well-versed counterpuncher. He stays behind a low workrate of 30-40 puncher per round so as not to expose himself needlessly.

It's also due to his style why he has achieved success for so long where other fighters falter at his age. He doesnt get hit very often, he fights in a "boring" style which stifles his opponents whilst ensuring that HE DOES ENOUGH TO WIN.

Hopkins is also very smart in recognizing his own limitations thus timely selections of opponents which are best suited to his style; namely smaller opponents or slower if not just as fast as BHOP.

With that said BHOP is indeed a true great in that he demonstrates that you don't have to be the most athletic boxer, nor the fastest, nor the most powerful in order to succeed in such a brutal sport.

Now on to Bhop's waterloos.

1. BHOP cannot handle guys who are BIGGER than him and FASTER than him. He can handle one but he cannot handle BOTH.

a. Roy Jones in his prime is just too much for Bhop and I think everybody here agrees that prime for prime Jones outclasses Bhop any way you look at it.

b. Taylor beat him twice by starting fast early and building enough early rounds to ensure a close UD victory. At that time Taylor at MW was bigger and faster than Bhop. Full credit to Bhop for taking the fight even though guys like Taylor are his matchup problems.

c. Calzaghe literally SLAPPED Hopkins around using in-out movement of feet, southpaw angles and combinations.

Out of the three notable guys that Hopkins fought, Calzaghe stood out as the most glaring example of Hopkins weaknesses.

Calzaghe down in the 1st and lost the 2nd seized control of the fight utilizing a style very similar to Pac. in-out movement, combinations and southpaw angles overwhelmed Hopkins which forced him to fake injuries to buy time since Calzaghe was SLAPPING the heck out of him nonstop.
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It is also the reason why Hopkins will never fight Dawson since the latter is an even bigger version of Calzaghe with arguably more power and a very good jab.

Guys like Pascal plays right into the hands of Hopkins style and in the rematch expect more of the same with Pascal maybe getting a few shots in while Hopkins takes control early midway rounds.

Dawson will beat the **** out of Bhop. Too much style disadvantage.

i respect his style and all hes achieved.
but it was clear dawsons stlye was not wanted by bhop,as soon as pascal beat dawson,bhop jumped right out of his chair,he gets to fight a style tht suits him and the guy who beat the guy he was avoiding.

[djtmal]

i respect his style and all hes achieved.
but it was clear dawsons stlye was not wanted by bhop,as soon as pascal beat dawson,bhop jumped right out of his chair,he gets to fight a style tht suits him and the guy who beat the guy he was avoiding.

i wouldn't be suprised if he uses the excuse of beating pascal (in his mind) to avoid fighting dawson

[Owlzfan84]

No it hasn't because your entire thread is totally incorrect to say Bernard has had the same style his entire career. he has not. I've proven this by posting an example of his fight with Glen Johnson. Hopkins used to be much more aggressive, his work rate was much higher and his power was a lot stronger as well.

To assume Taylor & Calzaghe would have always beat him because they posed problems for a post 40 year old version of bernard who had evolved his style according to his age is totally illogical. Hopkins only lost to Calzaghe because he didn't physically have the stamina to keep up for 12 rounds and even then it was a split decision. A young bernard? Forget about it.

That wasnt what i call a young calzaghe either

[ИATAS]

That wasnt what i call a young calzaghe either

Ok.

So Calzaghe was 1-2 years removed from his career best performance.

Definitely close to his prime.

[Canelo Phresh]

Answer the question.

Was that the same bernard that lost to taylor & calzaghe?

Did Hopkins not evolve his style and become less and less aggressive and more and more defensive as his age advanced?

sorry for calling a ******* the other day. your clearly a fan.

[Joartcc7]

i respect his style and all hes achieved.
but it was clear dawsons stlye was not wanted by bhop,as soon as pascal beat dawson,bhop jumped right out of his chair,he gets to fight a style tht suits him and the guy who beat the guy he was avoiding.

I also respect Bhop and what he has achieved.

He has shown that in boxing a strong mentality beats out physical gifts.

Bhop aint the fasters, nor the strongest, not the most powerful boxer yet he has achieved what he has achieved by utilizing his brain and recognizing his limitations.

The fights with Taylor and Calzaghe already cemented his weaknesses and Bhop passing up on Dawson is understandable. The fight against Calzaghe stood out as the most obvious example.

But cut Bhop slack. Sure he picked Pascal coz the latter's style fits his style perfectly. But we are talking here of a mid-40 guy taking on a boxer more than 10 years his junior. That much has to be recognized and respected.

[Walt Liquor]

check out the "low workrate" going on in this perfect example of bernard's style.


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because bernard's style can be described in one paragraph.

LOL, so many fighters do well against guys who are bigger than them or faster than them, but not bigger and faster than them.

[Walt Liquor]

I also respect Bhop and what he has achieved.

He has shown that in boxing a strong mentality beats out physical gifts.

Bhop aint the fasters, nor the strongest, not the most powerful boxer yet he has achieved what he has achieved by utilizing his brain and recognizing his limitations.

The fights with Taylor and Calzaghe already cemented his weaknesses and Bhop passing up on Dawson is understandable. The fight against Calzaghe stood out as the most obvious example.

But cut Bhop slack. Sure he picked Pascal coz the latter's style fits his style perfectly. But we are talking here of a mid-40 guy taking on a boxer more than 10 years his junior. That much has to be recognized and respected.

wow, so pascal fits bhop's style perfectly? why because bernard is know for a sustained body attack and outpunching his opponents?

the calzaghe fight and the jt fights were one point either way fights, that doesn't show weakness. weakness is when you have a fault that gets you beat up. he didn't get beat up in either fight.

i think jocal is a great fighter who bhop underestimated.