Comments Thread For: Roach: Pacquiao-Marquez III Will Happen, After Mosley

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I don't believe people will be so hard on Pacquiao to the point where he won't get recognition among the majority of Boxing fans who enjoy watching him fight instead of nitpicking his resume/career. The internet has helped Boxing on the viral side of things (marketing,etc), but as it stands, the hate on the internet isn't preventing Pacquiao from gaining more fans by the day because most people aren't looking for something to pin on Pacquiao to discredit him. His fans by far outweigh his naysayers.

Don't be ridiculous.....

A legacy is determined by who you fought, and when you fought them.

But the weight and fight terms will also be a factor, as will the following.....

* Manny will not fight a skilled boxer
* Manny will not fight a skilled counter-puncher
* Manny will not fight anybody who is in their prime
* Manny will not fight anybody who is coming off a win
* Manny will not fight anybody who is on top of their game
* Manny will not fight anybody without a distinct advantage
* And at JMW, Manny will not fight anybody at all

Also, two more things will be heavily factored in when weighing up Pac's legacy.....

1.) There are question marks over EVERY SINGLE PACQUIAO FIGHT dating back to before Morales

2.) the freakish weight gain, 15lbs of muscle in less than 18 months, and then subsequent refusal to submit to random blood testing

Only Manny-fan's are being fooled, real boxing fan's can see what's up.

Read this thread if you don't believe me
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=34061

I mentioned Leonard vs Lalonde because that's a perfect situation where Lalonde (weight wise) was at a disadvantage coming down to 168, yet still having to defend his 175 title. Who really talks about that today more than Leonard's fights with Hagler, Duran, and Hearns? Do we hold Leonard in lower regard because of that? History disagrees...

Yea, but you missed the point..... again !!

Otherwise you wouldn't have written the first paragraph that I quoted above.

Nobody, get this..... NOBODY, gives SRL any credit for Lalonde.

They don't need to, because Ray had ALREADY cemented his legacy WELL BEFORE THEN, by taking on great fighters who were in their prime.

Whereas Pacquiao's legacy is almost completely made up of Lalonde's.

EVERY SINGLE FIGHT dating back to Morales has question marks.

Catch-weights, shop-worn opponents, exhibition match's passed off as title fights, lucky decisons, OST issues, bizarre occurences both in and out of the ring, in house match-ups, and the list goes on, and on.....

And the point is.....

2.) the freakish weight gain, 15lbs of muscle in less than 18 months, and then subsequent refusal to submit to random blood testing

Not only is his legacy highly questionable, but it is likely fraudulent as well.

It is a joke that you compared Pacquiao to Leonard.

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i aint blind or biased because who was he supposed to fight. No one will be good enough untill he gets beat or badly hurt. The truth he has fought great fighters.

RUBBISH !!

When did that happen ?

Name these " great fighters ".

And don't include JMM, because Marquez won that fight.

And if you even try to mention Oscar, you are gettin spanked

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regardless if manny does fight juan again theres no point in complaining or fighting about it. the fight if it happens will be dangerous for juan because of the age and he could get badly hurt like antonio.

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honestly now...how can jmm hurt pac???
cotto and marga didn't come close to seriously hurting manny.
jmm will wear the face of a beaten dog with manny's razor-sharp fists!!
or jmm can choose lie down in the 3rd.....and be happy with his retirement purse.

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RUBBISH !!

When did that happen ?

Name these " great fighters ".

And don't include JMM, because Marquez won that fight.

And if you even try to mention Oscar, you are gettin spanked

you are really one hater boy....so much hate you cannot tell whos great and whos not. tell the puerto ricans that cotto is not great, tell to the mexicans that marg, morales, barrera are not great, and yeah i will include oscar, even past his prime oscar is one of the greatest boxer ever step in the ring.
oscar pick pac, catch weight are agreed upon, hatton came up of 2 consecutive win before he fight pac, jorge solis is undefeated when he fight pac, cotto is in his prime when he fight pac, and he is still a deadly fighter and a LMW champ. now these are not great fighters??
marquez didn't win the first fight is a draw he lose in the second. pac never cheated on that its the judge descision not his.
so much hate you can't even see the reality...
cry as much as you can nobody cares on your whining..here

you can't just handle the truth..let go of the hate... im pac fan but i also happen to be a fan of those "not great" fighters you mention..

let go of the hate its not good on your health.. try this
see good boy..that shoudl do it...

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you are really one hater boy....so much hate you cannot tell whos great and whos not. tell the puerto ricans that cotto is not great, tell to the mexicans that marg, morales, barrera are not great, and yeah i will include oscar, even past his prime oscar is one of the greatest boxer ever step in the ring.
oscar pick pac, catch weight are agreed upon, hatton came up of 2 consecutive win before he fight pac, jorge solis is undefeated when he fight pac, cotto is in his prime when he fight pac, and he is still a deadly fighter and a LMW champ. now these are not great fighters??
marquez didn't win the first fight is a draw he lose in the second. pac never cheated on that its the judge descision not his.
so much hate you can't even see the reality...
cry as much as you can nobody cares on your whining..here

you can't just handle the truth..let go of the hate... im pac fan but i also happen to be a fan of those "not great" fighters you mention..

let go of the hate its not good on your health.. try this
see good boy..that shoudl do it...

Stop whining kid.....

Nobody asked who your favorite fighters are. And nobody cares.

This is not a " feel-good " contest, where your favorite fighter gets to have an ATG legacy because he represents your country and makes you proud. Typical Manny fan

The question was about legacy, and my reply was correct.

A legacy is determined by who you fought, and when you fought them.

So, I will turn the question over to you then.....

Name these " great fighters " that Manny has beaten ?

The keywords are above, but I will remind you.....

* a skilled boxer
* a skilled counter-puncher
* in their prime
* coming off a win
* on top of their game
* a distinct advantage
* a JMW

Waiting.....

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jmm has to prove he can fight well above 135 first.

STFU ******, he doesn't need to prove anything.

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Who cares............Pac vs Shane it is.

[Walt Liquor]

RUBBISH !!

When did that happen ?

Name these " great fighters ".

And don't include JMM, because Marquez won that fight.

And if you even try to mention Oscar, you are gettin spanked

I really hope you're not a Floyd fan.

hey Freddie, this is for you:

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Stop whining kid.....

Nobody asked who your favorite fighters are. And nobody cares.

This is not a " feel-good " contest, where your favorite fighter gets to have an ATG legacy because he represents your country and makes you proud. Typical Manny fan

The question was about legacy, and my reply was correct.

A legacy is determined by who you fought, and when you fought them.

So, I will turn the question over to you then.....

Name these " great fighters " that Manny has beaten ?

The keywords are above, but I will remind you.....

* a skilled boxer
* a skilled counter-puncher
* in their prime
* coming off a win
* on top of their game
* a distinct advantage
* a JMW

Waiting.....

MAB
JMM

that's pretty much it. Two prime, HOF'ers coming off wins that were badasses, oh yeah, and he fought them at THEIR weight.