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  • #11
    Originally posted by -veteran420- View Post
    i really have no problem with the draw

    two KDs and a couple rounds that could have went either way

    great reason for a rematch, or like Tua said, a 13th overtime-esque round
    please tell me one round Pascal won after round 3? He had a 5 point lead after the first three rounds and still lost that fight clear as day. There wasn't a single round after 3 you could give to Pascal. And if so, tell me so I can watch it again.

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    • #12
      It's fair. If Hop won......it will be called a robbery coz Pascal KD him twice. If Pascal won, it will also be called a robbery coz Hop won major rounds.

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      • #13
        The two knockdowns made the fight alot closer but I still think B-hop should have got the nod, as he just dominated cleaarly to me. When I score these fights, I'm looking at ring leadership, clean punches landed, the agressor, and the one pressing for the action which was B-hop. I just cannot see the logic in a draw, as Pascal didn't do anything apart from the first 3 rounds, the fight was a clear shut-out from then on.

        For me, it was a clear win for B-hop, that's coming from a guy that cant stand the mans style of fighting. I felt really bad for him for last night, I was actually mad at his expense... I know Pascal was fighting on home turf, this always favours the home-town fighter of course, but you cant take a legit win from a fighter.

        If this fight was in the MGM, you'd have a good idea how this fight would have been scored - A Win for B-hop.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by DiegoFuego View Post
          please tell me one round Pascal won after round 3? He had a 5 point lead after the first three rounds and still lost that fight clear as day. There wasn't a single round after 3 you could give to Pascal. And if so, tell me so I can watch it again.
          so 4, 5, 8 or 9 couldnt have gone either way? none of them?

          you think they were all CLEARLY and OBVIOUSLY won by hopkins, with no chance that pascal won any of them?

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          • #15
            It was a pretty clear win for Hopkins, even being generous in some swing rounds should have had Hopkins ahead.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by DiegoFuego View Post
              please tell me one round Pascal won after round 3? He had a 5 point lead after the first three rounds and still lost that fight clear as day. There wasn't a single round after 3 you could give to Pascal. And if so, tell me so I can watch it again.
              There were four close rounds in that fight. One could argue that Pascal won rounds 12 and round 5. I watched the fight looking to see if there was a robbery. But I think it is kind of ridiculous for anyone to think such a close fight could have been "robbery." Some people are denying the kds. I think that could be borderline bias. But in reality Hopkins came out as the psychological winner because he won most rounds and he put it on a young champion.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Casual View Post
                The two knockdowns made the fight alot closer but I still think B-hop should have got the nod, as he just dominated cleaarly to me. When I score these fights, I'm looking at ring leadership, clean punches landed, the agressor, and the one pressing for the action which was B-hop. I just cannot see the logic in a draw, as Pascal didn't do anything apart from the first 3 rounds, the fight was a clear shut-out from then on.

                For me, it was a clear win for B-hop, that's coming from a guy that cant stand the mans style of fighting. I felt really bad for him for last night, I was actually mad at his expense... I know Pascal was fighting on home turf, this always favours the home-town fighter of course, but you cant take a legit win from a fighter.

                If this fight was in the MGM, you'd have a good idea how this fight would have been scored - A Win for B-hop.
                I thought there were a few close rounds but as i say i did have Hopkins clearly winning more rounds and the rounds Bhop won he dominated in. I tend to score close rounds even if there is not much going on, i could double back and then watch each round several times to double make sure i have picked up each landed punch but judges cant do that.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by Dominicano Soy! View Post
                  I don't think I've ever seen a more obvious looser, all in Pascal's face after the fight. He looked like he was awaiting for Hopkins to get the decision. We all admit it was close, but still a clear win for B-Hop.
                  Hard to look optimistic, when you've clearly lost or been close to losing 10 rounds (why did people automatically give Pascal the 2nd?), 9 of the 10 in a row.

                  I thought the draw was somewhat of a fair result, but after thinking about it, it's pretty hard to find 3 rounds in addition to the knockdown rounds to give it to Pascal. He was landing the harder shots, but they were few and Hopkins was always controlling the action.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by Davros? View Post
                    I thought there were a few close rounds but as i say i did have Hopkins clearly winning more rounds and the rounds Bhop won he dominated in. I tend to score close rounds even if there is not much going on, i could double back and then watch each round several times to double make sure i have picked up each landed punch but judges cant do that.
                    The only way I can see how the judges scored the fight is awarding Pascal with the close rounds even though B-hop just edged them, it's the only way to cover their azz I guess. I've watched hundreds of fights, and I know when a fighter has rightfully won the fight or not. Infact sometimes you don't even need to score a fight, you know who won it, and last night I didn't feel the need to score the fight, as I had no reason to think B-hop didn't win.

                    Pascal almost had non-existent workrate after the 6'th round, the sheer will of B-hop overwhelmed him for the rest of fight.

                    Also, I can tell from Pascal's body language how he felt after the decision, he stuttered in the interview when he was first approached.

                    Clear win for B-hop in my opinion, no doubt in my mind. And like I said before, I can't stand B-hop.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by Casual View Post
                      The only way I can see how the judges scored the fight is awarding Pascal with the close rounds even though B-hop just edged them, it's the only way to cover their azz I guess. I've watched hundreds of fights, and I know when a fighter has rightfully won the fight or not. Infact sometimes you don't even need to score a fight, you know who won it, and last night I didn't feel the need to score the fight, as I had no reason to think B-hop didn't win.

                      Pascal almost had non-existent workrate after the 6'th round, the sheer will of B-hop overwhelmed him for the rest of fight.

                      Also, I can tell from Pascal's body language how he felt after the decision, he stuttered in the interview when he was first approached.

                      Clear win for B-hop in my opinion, no doubt in my mind. And like I said before, I can't stand B-hop.
                      Well I have watched i dont know how many fights over the years but people always have different views on who won, now i think Bhop won most of the rounds but i felt that the 2 kd's made the fight really close.
                      If it wasnt for that Hopkins would have easily won but i just felt that with those two 10-8 rounds made the fight very close. I dont care to much we wont be able to change each others minds on it and if Bhop had won i wouldnt have said it was unfair but if Pascal won i would have felt a bit for bhop.
                      Anyways it was a fairly decent fight better than i thought it would be and i doubt Pascal will want a rematch he was dam luck he got those 10-8 rounds.

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