Khan and Pac are Ariza's fighters?

[Kris Silver]

This is what happens when a conditioning coach wasn't advised and placed of his place early on in a boxer's team perspective. Not that he can't speak his mind, but keeping it at a minimum would've been fine and dandy.

Ariza talks too much **** hence all these miscues.

Your absolutely right here.

Roach is right not to take sides, but he's the man of that team and need to get his man Ariza in-line. What he did/does isn't helpful or in anyones interests but his own.

[bcfc]

the guy is dedicated to the sport IMHO, he worked for free when he started with freddie, and slowly built his way up, he is now probably one off the most well known conditioning coaches in the buisness,

[SplitSecond]

He's just a shake making b*tch who gets paid to tell guys what to eat and what not to eat. He does not give any strategic advice nor does he give fighters any game plans...he's just a nutritionist, if conditioning coaches were that big a deal fighters would be dumping their trainers and hiring them instead.

right....it's not that im siding with ariza, cuz i think he's an idiot for talkin **** about diaz's credentials as a trainer, but a conditioning coach is very, very important
a gameplan is worth squat if the fighter isn't feeling good and energetic, it's more than special shakes, they teach you how to train to attain specific goals.

if a fighter like jermain taylor for instance, had a better conditioning coach, he'd more than likely be at the top of his game today and one fo the very best p4p

and dawson too could do with a better conditioning coach, his body was so tight against pascal, he was slow and he was too lazy to throw his punches

[madsweeney]

lets not pretend like conditioning coaches dont play a big part in a fighters performance

In 2 day's TS will start another "old school boxers are overrated" thread touting modern training techniques/nutrition/medicine advantages.

[Tamis!]

He's just a shake making b*tch who gets paid to tell guys what to eat and what not to eat. He does not give any strategic advice nor does he give fighters any game plans...he's just a nutritionist, if conditioning coaches were that big a deal fighters would be dumping their trainers and hiring them instead.

Yes he's just a conditioning coach, but we can all agree that he plays a vital role in molding the fighter to be where they are at right now, with Khan and Pac's case.

He's just a loudmouth that's all, but only butthurt peeps would get upset with all the BS he spouts, no disrespect mate.

Coz for me he can call every boxer out there "his fighter" and IDGAS.

[fabie]

I think both sides are escalating this too much....and there's too much wasted emotions flying everywhere.

A word, an utterance, a hint, a grunt, a whim, an accent, a phrase, a sentence, a sigh...all of these can easily be taken out of the context and outside the intentions of the person "saying it" because of hidden agenda, intentions or then some.

It's obvious that Ariza and Diaz have some kind of beef against each other and only awaiting and fishing for each other's words to be slung.

That's why I don't put too much stock on these things. And to further the levels of conflicts and chaos, the posters here at NSB with their certain allegiances, hates, affiliations, groupies, factions, and hidden agenda....their words (Ariza's and Diaz's) can be twisted further away from the truth.

He said. She said....it's a classic.

Now back to boxing, Khan just beat Maidana. Period.

[Tamis!]

Your absolutely right here.

Roach is right not to take sides, but he's the man of that team and need to get his man Ariza in-line. What he did/does isn't helpful or in anyones interests but his own.

Yup!

Looks like Ariza is going the ****** route to make noises and get some other boxers to have him on their stable. But blasting off another trainer is really low IMO.

In fact he don't need to do such, he just let his fighters do the talking in the ring on how good he is as a CC.

[talz]

peds.......................

1. Khan has agreed to take random blood testing anytime.
2. PEDS dont improve your punch resistance.

lets not pretend like conditioning coaches dont play a big part in a fighters performance

I disagree Khan is a totally different fighter with way more stamina than he had before. His power and his punch resistance has increased dramatically. Conditioning is as important as a gameplan tbh.

To be fair, Khan's conditioning looked like **** before working with Ariza. I'm sure there are before/after pics lurking around this forum.

Yes, ariza totally transformed his body by transfering all the upperbody mass to his legs. Thats one of the main reason Maidana could not floor khan in the tenth because the strength of his legs is tremendously good. Ariza may sound like a ****, but he has done wonders for khans conditioning.

[-Huey-]

Ok let me make this clear to y'all...I agree that Ariza plays an important role in the team because he keeps fighters healthy...but who is he to tell another trainer that he and his fighter are pieces of **** and question the trainer's credentials? That may have been something that Roach CAN do, because he is the actual TRAINER, Roach is the man that fixes any flaws in a fighter, Roach is the one that selects the proper sparring partners for each fighter that will help them for a certain type of opponent, and Roach is the one that comes up with the game plan. NOT ARIZA!

[fabie]

On the good side, HBO would have more materials for their next fights. SOAP OPERAS are part of this business to hype and sell their fighters...hehehehhe