Pascal vs the Taylor that beat Hopkins

[Kris Silver]

Interesting one that crossed my mind when going through some articles, vids and quotes on the forthcoming Pascal - Hopkins fight.

Hopkins is clearly still capable at his age, to completely school a more one dimensional fighter like Pavlik.

However Pascal like the Taylor of old has ok-good foot and hand speed, technical ability, and a better ring brain.

Try to forget the losses Taylor's suffered and his less ability lately.

I'm purely interested in honest views of if it were to happen...

The Pascal of now, versus the Taylor that beat Hopkins, say at SMW. And if your gona ask which fight, either or, the one you feel Taylor did best.....

[Kris Silver]

Come on, lets stop racking on about Khan.

Hopkins vs Pascal is THIS SATURDAY!!!

[jrosales13]

At what weight-class would it be though?

175? Because, Pascal is there now.

If so, Pascal.

[intoccabile]

Come on, lets stop racking on about Khan.

Taylor is flawed. The pascal prior to and against Froch didn't have the style he has now and may or may not have lost to Taylor.. but the Pascal of today IMO beats taylor handily, in spurts alone.

Pascal obviously doesn't have the defensive prowess of a Cory spinks, but the movement Corey used on Jermaine gave him hell and really ruinned the night for everyone.

This makes me pretty confident pascals movement he uses today would really give taylor a problem. Pascal likes to circle the ring and then come in in powerful spurts. Very wild punches from all angles, powerful, and quick. The occasional clinch so his opponent doesn't get off, and when or if he's clinched.. he's got a pretty serious in game. (dirty.. grabs behind opponents head and starts punching, rabid punching, etc.. goes nuts)

Pascal strikes me as a brawler trying to be something else. IMO its a bit much for JT who's lead hand rests at his torso, flicks his jab with poor balance ala Paul Williams and has always had cardio issues.

On a side note.. one of the things mentioned above is why Pascal will beat Hopkins this weekend.

I love bhop, I've sparred many rounds at Joe Hands and Upper Darby while he was there and gotten great advice from him... but he doesn't win this fight. He won't have the legs to move around with pascal for 12, age will set in. If he's chasing pascal, he won't have the legs.. and if he's boxing him.. the spurts will eventually take their toll on nard.

Nard also will not be able to clinch.. at all. Pascal when clinched GOES NUTS. Just watch the highlights of him and Dawson. Punching behind he head, underneath, grabbing his opponents head and uppercutting.. EVERYTHING. He does NOT liek being grabbed and he does EVERYTHING to get you off him, if he wants you off.

This is bad business for nard. Who usually looks to the ref for help during these situations. But the fights in Montreal now.... so no help will be given.

I expect 4-5 rabid punch acting jobs from bhop (he's good for this) in an attempt to get the ref to take a few points, before losing an ugly UD

[Kris Silver]

At what weight-class it would be though?

175? Because, is the Pascal now?

If so Pascal.

Good point, I think it's only fair to say SMW.

However, try not to bring weight into it too much. I'm more interested the abilities. Don't forget Taylor was effectively at SMW for Pavlik 2, and Pascal isn't long from SMW.

[SplitSecond]

if it's p4p, taylor would whoop him from pillar to post
the pressure from pascal is non existent til he decides to flurry for 4 seconds(which i see see taylor countering him in a couple of occasions) then go back to bouncing around the ring, and when you do decide to step to pascal he doesn't continue to bounce away, he stops to shells up, taylor would **** him up during those altercations due to the simple fact that taylor punches through you and pascals stamina is just as bad as taylor, but in this fight, pascal would tire first

[!! Shawn]

Umm... Taylor didn't beat Hopkins.

[intoccabile]

if it's p4p, taylor would whoop him from pillar to post
the pressure from pascal is non existent til he decides to flurry for 4 seconds(which i see see taylor countering him in a couple of occasions) then go back to bouncing around the ring, and when you do decide to step to pascal he doesn't continue to bounce away, he stops to shells up, taylor would **** him up during those altercations due to the simple fact that taylor punches through you and pascals stamina is just as bad as taylor, but in this fight, pascal would tire first

His stamina is actually pretty good.. and in the times it looked like ****, his heart proved to be even better.

I've only ever seen pascal fatigued twice and i've seen 7 or 8 of his fights. In his war with froch at at 168 (where he wasnt a mover at the time, and tried to pressure/brawl froch) he got tired around the 5th and its amazing he evn went the full 12 as tired as he was. He also was having issues making 168 which could effect his stamina as well that night.

and then in the dawson fight.. which is to be expected. he came off the lay off and just had shoulder surgery.. so the bulk of his camp was to rehabilitating his arm more so than technique and cardio as would be the case with most camps.

Other than that... his 2 fights prior to dawson for example (and the fight he hurt himself in) he was actually a work horse that night. It was pretty suprising that he could flurry as fast/hard as he would.. as many times as he did that fight while moving around the ring non stop as well. THEN being hurt badly with the dislocated arm, and still insisting to fight that way.

His cardio is fine.

[Kris Silver]

Umm... Taylor didn't beat Hopkins.

1. You know the fight/s being referred to.
2. Your not a judge, nor have the power to alter what officially, factually happened.
3. It's not big, it's not clever.

Just vote man...

[SplitSecond]

His stamina is actually pretty good.. and in the times it looked like ****, his heart proved to be even better.

I've only ever seen pascal fatigued twice and i've seen 7 or 8 of his fights. In his war with froch at at 168 (where he wasnt a mover at the time, and tried to pressure/brawl froch) he got tired around the 5th and its amazing he evn went the full 12 as tired as he was. He also was having issues making 168 which could effect his stamina as well that night.

and then in the dawson fight.. which is to be expected. he came off the lay off and just had shoulder surgery.. so the bulk of his camp was to rehabilitating his arm more so than technique and cardio as would be the case with most camps.

Other than that... his 2 fights prior to dawson for example (and the fight he hurt himself in) he was actually a work horse that night. It was pretty suprising that he could flurry as fast/hard as he would.. as many times as he did that fight while moving around the ring non stop as well. THEN being hurt badly with the dislocated arm, and still insisting to fight that way.

His cardio is fine.

in the diaconu fights u might think that cuz he's running around and taking 2 or so consecutive rounds off(shit, i think he took upto 4 consecutive rounds off in the second diaconu fight, not including some rounds later in the bout) due to his shoulder issues(suppossedly always coming out of place) only to come back flurrying like no shoulder injury ever happened BEFORE the 11th when his shoulder was popped back into place

but sure you could use that excuse(that he was more concerned of shoulder rehabilitation other than cardio work) in the dawson fight, but i dont buy it, in the dawson fight he tired the exact same as always and took rounds off the exact same as always, i mean, it's not like dawson puts on alot of physical pressure, in that fight atleast, he was moving foward and doing virtually nuthin else

i guarrantee he'll be taking rounds off by the 4th in the hopkins fight
and i think he had better stamina in the lower classes