Comments Thread For: Mosley: It Looks Like I'll Be Fighting Pacquiao on April 16

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December 11:

Freddie Roach: I have no problem with the testing whatsoever. They can do whatever (Keyword: Whatever) kind of drug testing that they want.

December 14:

Alex Ariza: I am the one in charge, I am the one responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes.


December 22:

Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight.

Richard Schaefer: Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.

In that same day,

Freddie Roach: A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. [Human growth hormone] is not detected by blood or urine.”

How is HGH test done?

More than one blood sample must be taken on different days, due to rapid changing levels of growth hormone. A test measuring IGF-1 levels may be taken in conjunction, as its levels change much slower. Before blood is drawn, the administering health professional should be informed of any disorders or medication being taken which can lead to bleeding at the site of the puncture.



December 23:

Bob Arum: Manny says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn't want to do it when he's in training, but he'll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight. Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing.

Freddie Roach: For the record, Pacquiao (Remember, he said Pacquiao) is willing to have his blood drawn before he starts training and after the fight to be tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It’s not like Pacquiao is saying no to drugs.


December 24:

Arum: This kid has a phobia for getting his blood drawn.

December 25:

Manny Pacquiao plans to sue Floyd Mayweather, the American's father and Golden Boy Promotions in the next few days following a row over doping procedures, the Filipino world champion said in a statement on Friday.

NYDailyNews. Tim Smith,

This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.


December 26:

Manny Pacquiao: I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room. I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight.

December 28

Manny Pacquiao: I do not have anything to prove (to them) and hopefully, they would not succeed in destroying my image and the sport of boxing in the way they want it done. They want to dictate and step on the authority of the organizations including the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I am not guilty and I don’t have to prove anything because I have passed all tests in all my previous fights. I will all just see you in court.

December 30:

Alex Ariza: He’s willing to give the blood tests – just not two or three days before, for understable reasons.


David Tyler interviews Freddie Roach.

Freddie Roach: HGH cannot be detected by blood, saliva, or urine. The doctors I've talked to said that HGH and any growth harmone cannot be detected by any test.

David Tyler: Fred, I have a graduate's degree in Biochemistry and 30 years experience in developing blood chemistry tests.....I'll leave it alone, let's move foward.

Freddie Roach: No wait, you can't tell me that there is a test that can detect HGH or growth harmones.

David Tyler: Fred, I'm not here to make you mad.

Freddie Roach: I'm not mad, I'm telling you that you are wrong if you think there is a test for HGH.

David Tyler: Ok Fred, so you are saying that HGH cannot be detected by a blood test?

Freddie Roach: Absolutely, 100%, NO! Saliva, blood, or urine.






So, I guess this was all Floyd Sr.'s fault right? I think not.

Men Lie, Women Lie, Quotations don't.

Note: Notice how Roach/ Arum are degrading blood testing in general.

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LMAO

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[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

December 11:

Freddie Roach: I have no problem with the testing whatsoever. They can do whatever (Keyword: Whatever) kind of drug testing that they want.

December 14:

Alex Ariza: I am the one in charge, I am the one responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes.


December 22:

Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight.

Richard Schaefer: Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.

In that same day,

Freddie Roach: A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. [Human growth hormone] is not detected by blood or urine.”

How is HGH test done?

More than one blood sample must be taken on different days, due to rapid changing levels of growth hormone. A test measuring IGF-1 levels may be taken in conjunction, as its levels change much slower. Before blood is drawn, the administering health professional should be informed of any disorders or medication being taken which can lead to bleeding at the site of the puncture.



December 23:

Bob Arum: Manny says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn't want to do it when he's in training, but he'll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight. Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing.

Freddie Roach: For the record, Pacquiao (Remember, he said Pacquiao) is willing to have his blood drawn before he starts training and after the fight to be tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It’s not like Pacquiao is saying no to drugs.


December 24:

Arum: This kid has a phobia for getting his blood drawn.

December 25:

Manny Pacquiao plans to sue Floyd Mayweather, the American's father and Golden Boy Promotions in the next few days following a row over doping procedures, the Filipino world champion said in a statement on Friday.

NYDailyNews. Tim Smith,

This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.


December 26:

Manny Pacquiao: I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room. I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight.

December 28

Manny Pacquiao: I do not have anything to prove (to them) and hopefully, they would not succeed in destroying my image and the sport of boxing in the way they want it done. They want to dictate and step on the authority of the organizations including the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I am not guilty and I don’t have to prove anything because I have passed all tests in all my previous fights. I will all just see you in court.

December 30:

Alex Ariza: He’s willing to give the blood tests – just not two or three days before, for understable reasons.


David Tyler interviews Freddie Roach.

Freddie Roach: HGH cannot be detected by blood, saliva, or urine. The doctors I've talked to said that HGH and any growth harmone cannot be detected by any test.

David Tyler: Fred, I have a graduate's degree in Biochemistry and 30 years experience in developing blood chemistry tests.....I'll leave it alone, let's move foward.

Freddie Roach: No wait, you can't tell me that there is a test that can detect HGH or growth harmones.

David Tyler: Fred, I'm not here to make you mad.

Freddie Roach: I'm not mad, I'm telling you that you are wrong if you think there is a test for HGH.

David Tyler: Ok Fred, so you are saying that HGH cannot be detected by a blood test?

Freddie Roach: Absolutely, 100%, NO! Saliva, blood, or urine.






So, I guess this was all Floyd Sr.'s fault right? I think not.

Men Lie, Women Lie, Quotations don't.

Note: Notice how Roach/ Arum are degrading blood testing in general.

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there has gotta be a counter to this. This is pretty suspect. Come on pacq fans, debunk this BS asap! The hero of asia cant be this su****ious?

[Dorian]

I'm not looking forward to this fight, Shane gassed in 3 rounds against Mayweather, he's coming off a MD with Mora(Didn't watch the fight but the result speaks for itself).

It better have a stacked undercard..

[don miguel]

this is not true at all, Team Pac has consistently flip flopped on their stance since the end of 2009....they have spewed out so many excuses, its hard to believe them.

First it was we dont want to because of hes afraid of needles, then it was i get weak before the fight, then it was well i'll take a test when we sign, during camp & after fight....etc etc

at the end of the day Team Pac wants to know WHEN the test are gonna be held...in no way is "knowing when the test are gonna be" considered "RANDOM"

I saw Pac after the Marg fight saying he's willing to accept the random test without deadline. Those flip flops where during the two failed negotiations. During that time they are negotiating that Pac would have the bigger share of PPV income.

By now Pac knows he will never get that. All he wants is to fight Floyd and the 200M revenue that comes with it.

Then again, you might not agree with me. I know you don't give a crap about Pac's superstitions because you've never been to the Phil. Islands.

It will still go down to the statements of those experts statements about Pac being one of the greatest inspite of the mayweathers being very vocal all over media about PEDs..

I will too accept their opinions over yours anytime of the day.

[check hook]

Hopefully this backfires on team MP. Shane didn't look good against Mora. I attribute that to the size difference (Mora came in at 157 pounds) and style.Shane has never been effective at 154.

If Shane has anything left at all he will at least check MP's chin a few times. If Shane has nothing left to offer you will see a white towel get hurled into the ring by the 8th, 9th or 10th.

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So you're saying he fought the best before Diaz?!!

Well, immediately prior to Diaz he got a lucky decision against Marquez, in a fight that most of the developed world thought Marquez had won

NO, of course pacroid did not always fight the best before Diaz. He did very well, because after all, who does always fight the best?

His resume is actually better before Diaz, because, even aside from the bizarre 15lb weight gain in less than 18 months and Manny's subsequent refusal to undergo random blood testing, there is controversy involving EVERY SINGLE FIGHT since before JMM II.

There were plenty of fighters that Manny missed, right from Raheem all the way down to too sharp.

Hatton was the best, undefeated, the linear champion at JW.
Fighting somebody who is 17 lbs heavier called a distinct advantage?
You want him to fight at JMW without a catch weight yet you want him to fight at 140 wich according to you he can make easily.

It is highly unlikely that Hatton was still the best at 140. He had struggled in previous fights, he was in decline, and he had his clock cleaned by Mayweather. Come on man, even Marquez would have beaten that version of Hatton by mid-late round KO, if not earlier.

Manny's recent opponents are either all the same style..... slow, plodding, come-forward, punching-bags..... e.g. Diaz/Hatton/Clottey.....or they are shop-worn and disadvantaged on the scales..... e.g. Hoya/Cotto/Margo.

And come on kid, Margarito was a slow, plodding, shop-worn, welterweight, BUM, with no KO power, who could not have even competed with the top welterweights. Even Ol' granpa Mosley KTFO that bum way better than Manny did. Margarito was a bum.

And YES, I want Manny to fight a genuine JMW, not that WW bum cheato !!

WTF is wrong with that kid?

Is the guy a fkn JMW champion or not?

It is a joke that he will not actually fight a real JMW.

And "you want him to fight at 140 wich according to you he can make easily"

No, not according to me..... according to Freddie Roach and Alex Ariza, Manny is a natural JWW and can easily make 140.....
http://www.examiner.com/fight-sports...t-middleweight
http://www.strengthspeedagility.com/...aining-program
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/g...ible-physique/
http://www.pacquiao-margarito.com/en...-inner-circle/
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleid=621958
http://ezinearticles.com/?Boxing-Rin...nce&id=2546429
http://www.pacquiaovsmargarito.net/w...ight-pacquiao/
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/g...ment-at-first/
http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blo...o-inner-circle



Do you know why they created weight divisions??? It's obvious you want Pac to fight even heavyweights just to see him destroyed.

Another *******, with his standards dragging behind him on the floor.

Heavyweights? Grow up kid, where I come from, a champion is not too scared to fight within his own division. Manny is a JMW champion, and the divisional limit is 154.

Again, Is the guy a fkn JMW champion or not?

It is a joke that he will not actually fight a real JMW.

Pac have said after the Marg fight they are willing to accept the random drug test upto the day before the fight against Floyd.

He wanted to fight Floyd because it's what the fans want.

But we haven't heard from Floyd after the Marg-Pac when before the fight he was very loud on twitter even calling Pac a yellow midget.

Whose ducking now?????

I don't care about your Mayweather issues, Marquez is my boy.

In the end of the day.. This is my opinion. That is your's. I know you will have more and i can't convince you to accept mine.

But as I have said, those experts have said those things inspite of hearig all these b******t. Don't tell me they are unaware of all these accusations.

Yet, they have said Pac is one of the greatest of all time.

DON'T ARGUE WITH ME. ARGUE WITH THEM!!!!

No, you are in a public forum, and you defended Manny in your post.

I will argue with you.

And, I factor in the opinions of some "experts", but I gave up believing everything I hear a long time ago. Interestingly, 4-out-of-the-top-5 P4P fighters in the world have recently publicly slammed Manny's resume'.

DO YOU LISTEN TO THOSE "EXPERTS" ?

The 5th one, is Manny himself. So, EVERY fighter in the top 5 P4P list has publicly criticized Manny's resume'.

The point is this.....

A champion, in his prime, who will not fight anybody from his own division?

WTF?

1.) Manny won a vacant JMW title by beating a slow, plodding, shop-worn, welterweight, BUM, with no KO power, who had just been KTFO by the #3 WW Mosley

2.) Manny will not defend that title against a genuine JMW

THE TITLE IS WORTHLESS..... MANNY IS NOT AN 8-DIVISION CHAMPION !!

The b1tch-move to set up Marquez by refusing to fight unless they meet at 147, is just a continuation of a long line of b1tch-moves made by Team Pacquiao, and a classic indication of how much respect they have for Marquez. It's a chicken-**** b1tch move, plain and simple.

When Bob Arum publicly stated that Manny could not go under 143 without killing himself he must have forgotten that 3 months earlier both Ariza and Roach publicly stated that Manny was a natural JWW, and that they just could not keep any weight on him when he is training so he has to eat 6 meals a day just to stay at WW including 3am/6am shakes LMAO

And you defend your hero for not fighting Marquez at 140 ?

I don't know who's more scared of JMM, you or Pussiao

Sorry dude, but if you think that the 37yo career-featherweight Marquez, who is currently campaigning at LW, and who is completely ineffective above 135, should have to go to 147, when Manny can easily make 140 according to Team Pacquiao..... then I will just have to add you to my list of dishonest Pac-Whores.

What the *** are you so scared of ?

Is your guy any good or what ?

[megas30]

Many boxing historians/analysts like sugar, hauser, gallo and steward, who have seen many fights of ali and robinson always says that Manny is one of the greatest bcoz of his resume'. And will always be ahead of Floyd bcoz of that.

I don't think they are idiot kids. Do you?

*******s would say he is the GOAT.

Haters would say he is a joke.

But i would accept the opinions of these experts over yours anytime of the day.

Peace...

If u were around a long time, u would know they always say the same thing about every fighter who once held the p4p spot. You should have heard when they used to praise Floyd, kiddo.

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there has gotta be a counter to this. This is pretty suspect. Come on pacq fans, debunk this BS asap! The hero of asia cant be this su****ious?

You guys are on fire good one.

[hb stowe]

haters complain pacman not fighting an african american fighter. now that he is gonna fight one. haters still complaining.

[Cotto 54/10]

Looks like it's really going to happen.