VIDEO: Will Mannys "high work rate" yield these kind of results?

[Cash Cow]

When people mention one of the advantages & key factors in the possible Mayweather-Pacquiao matchup it always seems to be "Mannys High Work Rate & Non stop aggression". This Video below of Mayweather vs Chavez is a prime example of how Mayweather reacts to fighters who "WANT TO FIGHT", swarm him with punches, pressure & comes forward throwing a lot of punches.....If Manny opens himself up by throwing a high volume of punches, would Mayweather pepper him with clean shots all night??

[Cash Cow]

Also, even when Mayweather is against the ropes its hard to land a clean shot as evident in not only this fight but in numerous Mayweather fights in which he layed against the ropes and got the better of the exchanges by far every single time. I mean how many angles could you possibly use while a fighter is against the ropes? All that does is leave you open for clean counter shots. Uppercuts, right hands, left hooks, and mean hooks to the body. Even in the middle of the ring, the angles would not work because when you move Mayweather moves with you. He is in constant motion, for every action theres a reaction. Unlike the past few fighters thats Manny has faced. They were all stationary targets who werent defensive minded.

Although I believe Manny is powerful and fast, i'm not really sure how I see Pacquiao's High Work Rate actually working in his favor. Especially against someone who can fight going backwards and is always blocking or stepping backwards when you punch. Mayweather always leads with a left hook while stepping back and is very accurate with that punch.

[Dempsey-Roll]

i seriously dont know the outcome. thats why everyone wanted the fight to happen.
if manny is the best offensive boxer today and floyd is the best defensive boxer today, well then, anything can happen.

but to put it deeper, here's the age old question.
in outer space, a gigantic object is traveling trillions of miles per hour. every thing in its path get destroyed. this object can only travel in a straight line. it never stops, it never slows down. it is indestructible. it just keeps going in a straight line forever.

this is an unstoppable object.

then there's another object in space. a wall if you can imagine. this wall is indestructible. nothing can pass through it. nothing can move it. not even by a micrometer. atoms and space dust has to go around it if they collided with it. if a meteor hits it, that meteor get smashed into billions of pieces.

this is an immovable object.

suppose the unstoppable object crosses path with the immovable object.
who'd win?

food for thought.

[fabie]

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=439314

Nothing would be more salivating than for me to watch contrasting of styles than these two superlative fighters now, here's how I see it.

Prime Mayweather vs Prime Pacquiao

• Mayweather Beating Pacquiao

As a traditional left lead fighter in Mayweather is all that we can see as traditional. What isn't is his impeccable and uncanny sixth sense on how to:

1) Distance himself from his opponents.

His left lead stance shows exceptional footworks behind his hind legs primed to back pedal, move forward, swivel (shoulder roll), duck (no puns), fade (with his right on guard at all times). His hind right leg is positioned in a nimble way, not locked flatfooted unless he wants to (see Mosley fight) to confront the opponent.

In my humble estimation his righ hind leg is always on his toes ready to spring for a right crosses and his lunging left hooks (patented shots) while his right hind leg is primed to absorb his weight when ducks down to his right, or even fade at his right as he swivel to his patented shoulder roll.

This is the main crux and engine of Mayweather, his superlative FORWARD/BACKWARD movements that would deter a Pacquiao attack or two (to put it modestly).

2) Right Guard

Mayweather's Right hand guard on the high position is the key to defend against Pacquiao's attacks (left cross). He can pat, parry, block AND do his PULL COUNTERS (right cross) with it.

3) Left on Low Position

Mayweather's low left hand position is primed to do one thing, HIS LUNGING LEFT HOOKS though he does have a decent left jab. This can also land on Pacquiao's right body and midsection should he step on his lateral right (dangerous against Pacquiao though). Mayweather's pinpoint accuracy on his lunging left hooks are amazing that can surprise opponents as he times it as the opponent is about to come in.


• Pacquiao Beating Mayweather

Pacquiao as a gifted and relentless southpaw could give Mayweather some stiff challenges. His timing, off-angles, counters and lateral movements (mainly cutting to Mayweather's outside left)

1) Left Cross/Left uppercut/Left Hookercut

Pacquiao's main arsenal is the LEFT CROSS (traditionally). But he uses it in so many ways that it blurs the line nowadays. He uses his Left Crosses also as a "lead jab" mainly against Right Handers on a left lead while cutting outside their left jab in 45 degrees.

Traditionally, Pacquiao would throw in a single or a double right jab then inevitably letting his main weapon fly off. We've seen it before. That was his main bread and butter.

Nowadays, he also uses the HOOKER CUT, a semi-uppercut/hook to counter off the right hander's left jab or even the right cross. This is for the semi-close range and therefore he needed to step up or step just outside the left jab of his opponent to close in. Due to Pacquao's low-center of gravity, low build and massive lower leg for balance and leverage - this punch is a KNOCK OUT PUNCH.

I can see him using this punch when he gets in Mayweather.

2) Right hook / Right Jab

Pacquao's Right Hook is becoming his next favorite attack other than his left crosses. He uses it as a LEAD entry to initiate a combination attack against a high CLOTTEY Guard but I can see him often using it to pound on the RIGHT HANDER's LEFT RIBs.

3) Combination

Superlative combination puncher, Pacquiao's multi-angle attack is the best I've ever seen since Sugar Ray Leonard and Aaron Pryor. But comes with it are strength and the snap. His leverage is well shown and momentum optimized to destroy his target.

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I've discussed the IDEALS of both, but in reality, we can only see a little of those because:

• Mayweather can neutralize many of the things I've discussed. Mayweather as the supreme defender can neutralize Pacquiao as the supreme attacker.

But Mayweather is also slowing down, mainly on his wheels. I would like to confirm Freddie Roach's reading on his last fight against Mosley but thatcan be misleading also since Mayweather's upfront tactic worked wonders against Mosley AFTER the right crosses (with no follow ups) in the 2nd round.

Mayweather stayed put and neutralized Mosley's right crosses by stepping up and jamming him. While using enough backpedaling...thus we see Mayweather relatively static compared to his previous fights.

I can see Mayweather potshotting Pacquiao with RIGHT CROSSES and taking a toll on Pacquiao to slow him down.

But the biggest thing that I can see Mayweather will use against Pacquiao other than using his wheels to move around and laterally is to CLINCH. CLINCH like never before and CLINCH like cheap glue like what he did occasionally against Mosley.

Pacquiao on the other hand, can use his LEFT CROSSES either as LEAD JABS or LEFT UPPERCUTS to Mayweather's ducking and fading (rolling to his right). Pacquiao's RIGHT HOOK can only be placed on Mayweather's head and since Mayweather's left body is relatively secured with his LOW LEFT HAND placement defensively, it would be hard for Pacquiao to land the RIGHT HOOK.

And so ideally, Pacquiao have to pressure Mayweather relentlessly and in an accurate timing. This is how to pace himself against a "Boxer" in Mayweather who would test his stamina till the end.

And so Pacquiao has to be opportunistic in getting some shots in (which would be difficult).

THe main strategy is for Freddie and Pacquaio strategizing a KAMIKAZE ATTACK on the early rounds. BEFORE Mayweather can adjust. Pacquaiao has to exploit this. Just like Judah a bit dominating on Mayweather onth early rounds as a SOUTHPAW.

And if anyone else, Pacquao is the only boxer who can exploit Mayweather on these early rounds. Just like the floodgates, if he hits Mayweather, he has to bring everything.

So early rounds go to PACQUIAO and potentially can knock Mayweather out.

But after Mayweather adjust to the distance and timing, I think Mayweather would have to use his best best defensive boxing until the 12th round.

Prediction?

• Mayweather on a SPLIT or UNANIMOUS DECISION but with the potential PACQUAIO KAYOING Mayweather from the early rounds to the mid 7th rounds before he tires.

Thus Pacquaio would need to have his best stamina and pacing to beat Mayweather.

So there.....I am hoping for Pacquaio to Knock out Mayweather and wouldn't be surprised if he does. Just that chances are, I am going for the safe prediction of Mayweather going to the distance of boxing.

But we would never know, Pacquaio, the Tazmanian devil from the Philippines could be just what the fans ordered to beat Mayweather and beat him up.

This would be the boxing fight for the ages.

[Cash Cow]

Speaking about "angles"...check the Corrales-Mayweather fight. Corrales "tried" to cut off the ring the entire fight & force the fight with Mayweather and got countered and knocked down 5 times. Diego is taller with a longer reach as well. Plus Diego had a jab that really didnt do anything to Mayweather.

[Heru]

An orthodox Jesus Chavez with slower foot speed, slower hand speed, worse footwork, less countering ability, less power, worse defense than Manny Pacquiao and comparing him to Manny Pacquiao.

Floyd doesn't even defend himself the same way against southpaws as he does orthodox. And he doesn't because the shoulder roll doesn't work as well, he uses a high guard and it'll be a problem for him to counter punch Pacquiao Manny becuase of it.

It's a tossup close fight, stop trying so hard.

[John Barron]

This Video below of Mayweather vs Chavez is a prime example of how Mayweather reacts to fighters who "WANT TO FIGHT"

i'd hardly call this evidence. this ain't an example, it's an exhibition to make floyd look good. no footwork, head down, wide shots... really? let me get tapes of pac-clottey as evidence, he's defensive minded right? oh, it's cash cow, sup where you been? long time no see.

is pacquiao faster based on fact or your personal opinion?

[The_Demon]

Its hard too predict,thats why people want to see the fight happen so bad,its just a shame floyd doesnt want it

[Cash Cow]

An orthodox Jesus Chavez with slower foot speed, slower hand speed, worse footwork, less countering ability, less power, worse defense than Manny Pacquiao and comparing him to Manny Pacquiao.

Floyd doesn't even defend himself the same way against southpaws as he does orthodox. And he doesn't because the shoulder roll doesn't work as well, he uses a high guard and it'll be a problem for him to counter punch Pacquiao Manny becuase of it.

It's a tossup close fight, stop trying so hard.

Foot speed means nothing when you are throwing punches and getting countered cleanly. And actually Chavez applies far more pressure than I could ever see Pac doing. But Pac has had a high work rate vs all of his apponents, but all of them recently have been stationary and not counter punchers so he is able to get away with throwing that Manny punches.

THE SHOULDER ROLL DOESNT WORK AGAINST SOUTHPAWS?

WOW!!! just WOW!!
LMAO!!!

Whats up with the MYTH that Mayweather has trouble with southpaws?


Floyd Mayweather vs DEMARCUS CORLEY

Mayweather Landed 47% of his 50 punches per round and 53% of his power shots.

Mayweather Outlanded Corley 283-150 in total punches.

Mayweather Dropped Corley in 8th & 10th rounds, landing 28 power shots in 8th & 34 in 10th.

OH and Mayweather shoulder rolled all night on Corley...

8th & 10th rounds...problems with southpaws?


Mayweather Finished strong, outlanding Corley 120-44 in power shots over last 5 rounds.

Scoring: 119-107; 118-108; 119-108


Floyd Mayweather vs Zab Judah

Mayweather dropped first 2 rounds on 2 cards after getting outlanded 11-5 in power shots in opening 6 minutes. Start of round 3 All Floyd from then on, as he outlanded Judah 153-53 in power shots, including 28-2 in the 9th. Floyd played some “D” as well, as Judah landed in single digits in total connects in 10 of 12 rounds.

Rounds 7,8 & 9..Utter dominance


Overall, Mayweather landed 205 of 441 (46%) total punches to 89 of 485 (18%) for Zab.

Floyd also landed 158 of 322 (49%) power shots to 64 of 177 (36%) for Judah, who managed to land just 25 of 308 jabs (8%).

Scoring: 116-112; 117-111; 119-109.


I sincerely hope this isn't ALL Freddie Roach has to go off of to prepare Manny Pacquiao for Floyd Mayweather


no please RE-think what you just said about Marquez being better at fighting southpaws.....actually why dont you give me the punch stats from those fight....thanks champ!

Men lie, Women lie, NUMBERS DONT!!

[The_Demon]

I like the confidence that you have in floyd TS,its just a huge shame that your boy floyd doesnt have the same confidence in himself,because if he did then the fight would have happened by now

Posting all these stats with your comments thinking your funny is all well and good,but you really are looking ****** right now,considering floyd doesnt want to fight pacquioa