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  • #31
    Originally posted by ModernTalking View Post
    I'm not going to read all that ****. The only theory is that Floyd is a puzsy and nothing more.
    December 11:

    Freddie Roach: I have no problem with the testing whatsoever. They can do whatever (Keyword: Whatever) kind of drug testing that they want.

    December 14:

    Alex Ariza: I am the one in charge, I am the one responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes.


    December 22:

    Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight.

    Richard Schaefer: Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.

    In that same day,

    Freddie Roach: A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. [Human growth hormone] is not detected by blood or urine.”

    How is HGH test done?

    More than one blood sample must be taken on different days, due to rapid changing levels of growth hormone. A test measuring IGF-1 levels may be taken in conjunction, as its levels change much slower. Before blood is drawn, the administering health professional should be informed of any disorders or medication being taken which can lead to bleeding at the site of the puncture.



    December 23:

    Bob Arum: Manny says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn't want to do it when he's in training, but he'll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight. Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing.

    Freddie Roach: For the record, Pacquiao (Remember, he said Pacquiao) is willing to have his blood drawn before he starts training and after the fight to be tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It’s not like Pacquiao is saying no to drugs.


    December 24:

    Arum: This kid has a phobia for getting his blood drawn.

    December 25:

    Manny Pacquiao plans to sue Floyd Mayweather, the American's father and Golden Boy Promotions in the next few days following a row over doping procedures, the Filipino world champion said in a statement on Friday.

    NYDailyNews. Tim Smith,

    This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.


    December 26:

    Manny Pacquiao: I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room. I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight.

    December 28

    Manny Pacquiao: I do not have anything to prove (to them) and hopefully, they would not succeed in destroying my image and the sport of boxing in the way they want it done. They want to dictate and step on the authority of the organizations including the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I am not guilty and I don’t have to prove anything because I have passed all tests in all my previous fights. I will all just see you in court.

    December 30:

    Alex Ariza: He’s willing to give the blood tests – just not two or three days before, for understable reasons.


    David Tyler interviews Freddie Roach.

    Freddie Roach: HGH cannot be detected by blood, saliva, or urine. The doctors I've talked to said that HGH and any growth harmone cannot be detected by any test.

    David Tyler: Fred, I have a graduate's degree in Biochemistry and 30 years experience in developing blood chemistry tests.....I'll leave it alone, let's move foward.

    Freddie Roach: No wait, you can't tell me that there is a test that can detect HGH or growth harmones.

    David Tyler: Fred, I'm not here to make you mad.

    Freddie Roach: I'm not mad, I'm telling you that you are wrong if you think there is a test for HGH.

    David Tyler: Ok Fred, so you are saying that HGH cannot be detected by a blood test?

    Freddie Roach: Absolutely, 100%, NO! Saliva, blood, or urine.






    So, I guess this was all Floyd Sr.'s fault right? I think not.

    Men Lie, Women Lie, Quotations don't.

    Note: Notice how Roach/ Arum are degrading blood testing in general. [/QUOTE]

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    • #32
      Originally posted by infamous larryx View Post
      arum....thats the reason the fight hasnt happened
      arum works for manny. and he chooses to hide behind arum and play the dumb foreigner. manny is equally to blame

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Cash Cow View Post
        December 11:

        Freddie Roach: I have no problem with the testing whatsoever. They can do whatever (Keyword: Whatever) kind of drug testing that they want.

        December 14:

        Alex Ariza: I am the one in charge, I am the one responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes.


        December 22:

        Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight.

        Richard Schaefer: Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.

        In that same day,

        Freddie Roach: A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. [Human growth hormone] is not detected by blood or urine.”

        How is HGH test done?

        More than one blood sample must be taken on different days, due to rapid changing levels of growth hormone. A test measuring IGF-1 levels may be taken in conjunction, as its levels change much slower. Before blood is drawn, the administering health professional should be informed of any disorders or medication being taken which can lead to bleeding at the site of the puncture.



        December 23:

        Bob Arum: Manny says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn't want to do it when he's in training, but he'll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight. Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing.

        Freddie Roach: For the record, Pacquiao (Remember, he said Pacquiao) is willing to have his blood drawn before he starts training and after the fight to be tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It’s not like Pacquiao is saying no to drugs.


        December 24:

        Arum: This kid has a phobia for getting his blood drawn.

        December 25:

        Manny Pacquiao plans to sue Floyd Mayweather, the American's father and Golden Boy Promotions in the next few days following a row over doping procedures, the Filipino world champion said in a statement on Friday.

        NYDailyNews. Tim Smith,

        This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.


        December 26:

        Manny Pacquiao: I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room. I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight.

        December 28

        Manny Pacquiao: I do not have anything to prove (to them) and hopefully, they would not succeed in destroying my image and the sport of boxing in the way they want it done. They want to dictate and step on the authority of the organizations including the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I am not guilty and I don’t have to prove anything because I have passed all tests in all my previous fights. I will all just see you in court.

        December 30:

        Alex Ariza: He’s willing to give the blood tests – just not two or three days before, for understable reasons.


        David Tyler interviews Freddie Roach.

        Freddie Roach: HGH cannot be detected by blood, saliva, or urine. The doctors I've talked to said that HGH and any growth harmone cannot be detected by any test.

        David Tyler: Fred, I have a graduate's degree in Biochemistry and 30 years experience in developing blood chemistry tests.....I'll leave it alone, let's move foward.

        Freddie Roach: No wait, you can't tell me that there is a test that can detect HGH or growth harmones.

        David Tyler: Fred, I'm not here to make you mad.

        Freddie Roach: I'm not mad, I'm telling you that you are wrong if you think there is a test for HGH.

        David Tyler: Ok Fred, so you are saying that HGH cannot be detected by a blood test?

        Freddie Roach: Absolutely, 100%, NO! Saliva, blood, or urine.






        So, I guess this was all Floyd Sr.'s fault right? I think not.

        Men Lie, Women Lie, Quotations don't.

        Note: Notice how Roach/ Arum are degrading blood testing in general.
        [/QUOTE]

        ouch. *******s will avoid this

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        • #34
          All bias against Floyd aside, I really don't know why he wouldn't take the fight or at least offer a better reason for not fighting Pac than the testing.

          Maybe they've agreed to postpone the fight until a later date, but they're risking Pacquiao against some top fighters, and Floyd risked it all against Mosley so any agreed postponement with the promise of a bigger money fight down the line doesn't seem likely.

          One side definitely doesn't want the fight to happen and since Floyd can't offer any decent reasons why not, it's looking very much like his side.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by yesir View Post
            arum works for manny. and he chooses to hide behind arum and play the dumb foreigner. manny is equally to blame
            yes i agree...people think manny is unaware of whats going on!! him & arum are in bed together

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Cash Cow View Post

              Yes i dont want to talk about that, because with this theory all that talk would be obsolete because IMO Pac will eventually take the test.
              I agree with you there 100%

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              • #37
                Originally posted by The Weebler II View Post

                One side definitely doesn't want the fight to happen and since Floyd can't offer any decent reasons why not, it's looking very much like his side.
                wow...please see post # 33 in this thread

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                • #38
                  when Floyd came back, his words were 'imma rob some money real fast'


                  JMM = $20mil
                  Shane = $25mil


                  he did what he set out to do...come up quick and go back to chill mode


                  when asked by Dana White why he hasn't fought PAC, his words 'im not desperate'



                  boxing is Floyd's ATM right now...with or without the legal trouble, i dont expect him to come near a ring until his funds dwindle


                  he didn't come back for his fans or his legacy...jokes on his fans

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Cash Cow View Post
                    come on buddy, lets talk boxing. Neither one of these guys are a *****, they are fighters for a living. Yes i know my post was lengthy, but I think I made alot of good points to support my theory. Im sure you know your boxing so lets talk boxing not name calling. its silly

                    fair enough..............lets talk about floyds demands.............MANNy bends over............which i dont think he should do..........floyd ****s it up with all his shenanigans..............i really thought floyd was playing his mind games.................NOW all i think is he doesnt give a ****e about this fight...................doesnt give a ****e with his ***** fans..........and doesnt give a ****e about his legacy.............(i know he says legacy dont pay the bills)..........but COMEEEE oNNNN........this youngster been whinning how the media is crucifying him.........................

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by -pound4pound- View Post
                      when Floyd came back, his words were 'imma rob some money real fast'


                      JMM = $20mil
                      Shane = $25mil


                      he did what he set out to do...come up quick and go back to chill mode


                      when asked by Dana White why he hasn't fought PAC, his words 'im not desperate'



                      boxing is Floyd's ATM right now...with or without the legal trouble, i dont expect him to come near a ring until his funds dwindle


                      he didn't come back for his fans or his legacy...jokes on his fans



                      i agree, but Manny isn't exactly fighting for legacy or fans either.......so why place him on a pedestal?

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