How hard does Danny hit?

[Guest]

Vitali said it was hard, but Vitali is ALWAYS polite about his opponents.

Yet I've seen Danny KO someone with a single shot for several minutes. Okay, it was Michael Sprott, but a chin's a chin, right?

[scramwarrior]

No boxers have very durable chins due to them being in the ring with hard punchers already. So a chin is not a chin. And of course Danny can hit hard, he's a professional boxer that weighs 270 pounds.

[BrooklynBomber]

Vitali said it was hard, but Vitali is ALWAYS polite about his opponents.

Yet I've seen Danny KO someone with a single shot for several minutes. Okay, it was Michael Sprott, but a chin's a chin, right?

Danny hits pretty hard. Not Forman like power, but opponents feel every punch. But ofcourse he is a heavyweight and most of the heavyweights hit pretty hard. But I do thinl that Vitaly kinda overrated him by saying that he was surprised with Denny's power. I think he knew exactly how hard Denny was hitting.

[Kid Achilles]

He probably hits near the upper middle end of the spectrum for a heavyweight, probably a bit less than Rahman. Harder than Ruiz I'd say, and much harder than Byrd or Oquendo. I'd give him a B or B+ for power at most. However, he was totally unfocused and had no balance in that fight, so he stood no chance of really hurting Vit. You have to give all credit to Vitali though, because he obviously bulled Danny around in a way that Tyson couldn't.

That said, Williams deserves credit for having perhaps the best heart in the division. Fighting (and winning) with a broken arm, out gutting Tyson in a slugfest, and then getting up multiple times against the heavyweight champion of the world when he obviously had no chance? He is all heart.

[Guest]

Kid A, that's an incredibly astute post. Yeah, Vit really worked Danny on a pivot at times.

I'd go with B or B+... that's an interesting way of looking at power, actually. Hmmmm... I feel a trivial thread coming on.

So what would you give Ali for power? D?

[TheGreat1]

He probably hits near the upper middle end of the spectrum for a heavyweight, probably a bit less than Rahman. Harder than Ruiz I'd say, and much harder than Byrd or Oquendo. I'd give him a B or B+ for power at most. However, he was totally unfocused and had no balance in that fight, so he stood no chance of really hurting Vit. You have to give all credit to Vitali though, because he obviously bulled Danny around in a way that Tyson couldn't.

That said, Williams deserves credit for having perhaps the best heart in the division. Fighting (and winning) with a broken arm, out gutting Tyson in a slugfest, and then getting up multiple times against the heavyweight champion of the world when he obviously had no chance? He is all heart.

i have to disagree with the biggest heart, that should go to Brewster. and along as holyfield fights, he stays at #1

[Kid Achilles]

Oh, I'm not saying that Williams has more heart than Brewster or Holyfield, just that he is up there on the heart meter.

That bout he fought where his arm was just kind of hanging there limp, and he still went on, was inspiring. Say what you want about Danny's talent, but I can't imagine Lewis doing the same.

I'd rank Ali's power, believe it or not, at a B- at it's best. That's only when he was sitting into his punches. He was actually capable of hitting pretty hard when he went flat footed. Look at what he did in the last round of that fight with Bonavena, and Bonavena was a tough guy with a good chin.

Most of the time though, he danced around and threw shots with just enough power to get the other guys respect. He knew he didn't have true, reliable one-punch power, so he didn't find it neccesary to commit to his punches unless he knew the other guy wouldn't be hitting back afterwords.

I'd rate his power at only a C- or a C at most when he was dancing.

[scap]

Enough of these bul**** threads. Your a good dude Anorak but cmon. How many of these are out there, Does VK hit hard? Does Danny Willimas hit hard? Do you think someone is going to come on and post, yeah Danny Williams hits damn hard, he ****ed me up at a bar the other night and he didn''t even catch me flush and I was buzzed, so yeah the guy can crack?


How do you answer this thread, how do you respond to this thread? Does Mike Tyson still hit hard? How hard was Glenn Johnson punch that ko'd Roy Jones?....was it hard?

[Kid Achilles]

Well it's impossible to say for sure, but it's something that's fun to debate. One of the greatest things about boxing is that it's a relatively subjective sport. There is always going to be lot of speculation because it is so raw and informal compared to football, baseball and the rest. Think of all the unique boxing styles different fighters have developed. Watching Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali (Or Sullivan and Corbett, Dempsey and Tunney, etc.) fight one another , you'd think they were raised on different planets. Completely different theories of combat. With so much variation in style can we really predict who could have beaten who? We have a hard enough time predicting results of fights happening now, in an era we are living through. Do you suggest we stop making these historical matchup threads just because it's impossible to get an answer?

So, can we know for sure who punches harder than the other? Probably not, but it is a lot of fun trying to figure it out.

Take Tyson for example. A lot of people think he was one of the hardest hitting heavyweights of all time. I don't, because after watching his performances, I was always left with the impression that his handspeed was just as much a factor as his punching power. Can you really even try to compare him to Foreman, who had much slower hands and yet had so much raw power that he was still able to KO a greater number of higher caliber boxers than Tyson?

Check boxrec.com and you'll see that a lot of Mike's KO's were only TKO's. I consider that too when assessing him.

Another factor I take into account is insider opinion. I recall an interview with Peter McNeely who claimed that Tyson was the quickest boxer he ever fought, but he wasn't the hardest puncher.

One a seperate but related note, I recall a quote from a guy who sparred with Marciano and Louis who remarked that the Rock definitely hit much harder than Louis. Walcott said the same thing. That's a big part of the reason that I rank Marciano as a harder (but not better) puncher than Louis.

So I would say that these type of threads aren't useless. If you call this thread bull****, you may as well say the same about any thread where a question is asked that there is no sure answer to. All of those historical matchups would also be bull**** by that logic.

And if there was a sure answer, why should there even be a thread? You could just direct the querier to a website where they could read the answer. Every question asked would have one or two brief responses. Imagine if the only questions allowed were things with definite answers like "How much did Ali weigh versus Frazier in their first fight?" or "What year did Frank Bruno retire?" There would be no debate, no hypothetical questions asked, no analysis of statistics, and no imagination required. In sum it up, it would be a boring forum.

[pinaldino]

Vitali said it was hard, but Vitali is ALWAYS polite about his opponents.

Yet I've seen Danny KO someone with a single shot for several minutes. Okay, it was Michael Sprott, but a chin's a chin, right?

no a chin's not a chin!