Am I wrong for suspecting Manny?

[BuckToothed]

I'm noticing that is anybody questions Manny, they get attacked. But is it not human to suspect a fighter who refuses drug testing in this era (The way Manny/Team Pac refused).

I'm no PED expert, Dr or pro boxer. But I am a 25 year boxing fan, so i know a lil bit about the sport i love.
I've watched Manny since the blonde streak days, been a fan from then on. But what I'm not a fan of is how the refusal went down, all the reasons/excuses just made me pause for a second.

I'm told that "I don't know anything about how PEDs work" & "If Manny was juicing, he'd have gotten caught by now"...
Well the first part is kinda true, but It has made me a lil curious on the suject so I looked into it.

So can any of you just answer just 3 questions........

1. What are the charicteristics of HGH, EPO......?

2. Does Manny display any of these charicteristics....? (Mind you, don't say Manny has always displayed this or that. Mind you, I've been watching him as long if not longer that most on NSB. And Manny has definatly kicked it up a few notches).

3. If the way Manny has evolved is not by the use of any PEDs, what else could it be....?

We bash Barry Bonds for basically doing the same thing Manny is doing, is it a nationality thing? Or do you just hate Floyd sooo much that anything he says is dismissed and you just wanna see him beat regaurdless of how.

Not a hate thread, just trying to get how him/Bob Arum refusing testing in the PED era gets a pass...
I've never put anybody on ignore nor have I ever done the corny red k thing, but I have yet to get any solid answers. Just emmotional, I love manny, I hate Floyd posts...
Anybody wanna be honest?

Then you need to STFU...

[carts]

Thjis is the most CLASSIC of them all... BEAUTIFUL come back bro

why will pac even use peds if he knows he wil be tested after the fight?

[cixthree]

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[cixthree]

why will pac even use peds if he knows he wil be tested after the fight?

May I ask "How old are you, and where on earth do you live?

[VoodooChild]

LOL, you never logicaly answered any of mine, but here you go.
7 days is fine with me, hell 14 was offered and was declined... But 7 days shows me that Manny is ready to either take the tests NOW or they've found away around it.
Clean or not, refusing has killed Mannys legacy starting at the Diaz fight...
Your turn.

Just confirm, a 7 day window is completely fine and acceptable with you and there is nothing that can be taken within the 7 day wind down that would benefit him. Sounds good.

I'm confused... 14 days was refused cause "He will be in heavy training" But during his last 24 7 Manny broke camp many times..... That's kinda backwards and contridicting rite?

14 days was refused because of the Morales fight, he believes that the blood was drawn too close to the fight, here's part of an article from 2005:

"He said that they needed his blood for medical requirements. He went back to training and before the weigh-in, he didn’t eat and didn’t even drink because he was in the exact weight. Then two days before the fight, NSAC called him to have a blood test again. Pacquiao said that he already underwent a blood test but NSAC said that the records were lost according to the doctor. Coach Freddie Roach with his manager Shelly were wondering why the NSAC did not have his medical records. According to Pacquiao, he have spoken to a certain doctor and said that it’s impossible for NSAC to lose his record because it is a well-established institution. Pacquiao felt something wrong and he thought that it was a tactic against him. He said that he felt dizzy 30 minutes after the blood was taken from him. He said that his nape was very painful. The doctor advised him to drink a lot of water but because he’s in a diet and controlling the amount of food and water he intake in order not to exceed the weight limit, he just lay down and have a body massage. During the actual fight, he is weak and he knows that he will not be able to knock out Morales."

Now most people would think that it was the weight cutting that made him weak but Manny is a superstitious bastard. He really believes this blood test is part of the reason he lost, it's silly but it's him and I do not believe there's anything malicious about it.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Answer for what?

I didnt read that trash

Just the first paragraph until i realized it was another hate thread by a *******

Do you hear yourself? The guy is questioning Manny Pacquiao, how is he a *******? lol And there was no hate in his post, you've proven to be the ******* here.

[jack2x]

May I ask "How old are you, and where on earth do you live?

cart has a very good question and you need to answer it head on..

[cixthree]

cart has a very good question and you need to answer it head on..

Is this attack of the ALTs, jesus!... Manny would use PEDs cause the types of PEDs he's using are ONLY used in training. It's a game of math, timing and a good team that prevents them from being detected after the fight..\History has shown us it can be done.... Is that head on enuff, now answer mine ALT

[VoodooChild]

Is this attack of the ALTs, jesus!... Manny would use PEDs cause the types of PEDs he's using are ONLY used in training. It's a game of math, timing and a good team that prevents them from being detected after the fight..\History has shown us it can be done.... Is that head on enuff, now answer mine ALT

Training only PED's?? I'm assuming you're talking about non-stimulants. In that case these PED's have to be cycled for months and months for any positive effect to occur. In fact these these are best taken in between fights and not during training camp.

[straightleft]

I'm noticing that is anybody questions Manny, they get attacked. But is it not human to suspect a fighter who refuses drug testing in this era (The way Manny/Team Pac refused).

I'm no PED expert, Dr or pro boxer. But I am a 25 year boxing fan, so i know a lil bit about the sport i love.
I've watched Manny since the blonde streak days, been a fan from then on. But what I'm not a fan of is how the refusal went down, all the reasons/excuses just made me pause for a second.

I'm told that "I don't know anything about how PEDs work" & "If Manny was juicing, he'd have gotten caught by now"...
Well the first part is kinda true, but It has made me a lil curious on the suject so I looked into it.

So can any of you just answer just 3 questions........

1. What are the charicteristics of HGH, EPO......?

2. Does Manny display any of these charicteristics....? (Mind you, don't say Manny has always displayed this or that. Mind you, I've been watching him as long if not longer that most on NSB. And Manny has definatly kicked it up a few notches).

3. If the way Manny has evolved is not by the use of any PEDs, what else could it be....?

We bash Barry Bonds for basically doing the same thing Manny is doing, is it a nationality thing? Or do you just hate Floyd sooo much that anything he says is dismissed and you just wanna see him beat regaurdless of how.

Not a hate thread, just trying to get how him/Bob Arum refusing testing in the PED era gets a pass...
I've never put anybody on ignore nor have I ever done the corny red k thing, but I have yet to get any solid answers. Just emmotional, I love manny, I hate Floyd posts...
Anybody wanna be honest?

Those PED accusations only brought up by the Mayweathers then followed by his fans like a gospel. Then Pac not agreeing on Floyd demands in first negotiation only risen some su****ions but its doesn't mean Pac taking those PEDs. For Pac this a mind game Floyd trying to put in his mind that he won't allows. Back on PEDs issues, Pac beat his bigger opponents in which obviously using his speed advantages against those slower guys and also the fact he can take a punch. PEDs won't help you to have a better chin and makes you move faster. Either you have it or you don't. Pac also a well known hard worker when its come to training ever since his flyweight days. So he doesn't need any Performance Enhancing Drugs to get to his fighting condition. Another evidence also suggest if Pac was really using those steroids, PEDs or whatever it is. Why he can't even make weight at 147? These PEDs/steroids supposedly help you to gain muscles. At welterweight, Pac at fight night he never weighed in not more than 148? Those guys fighting at lightweight (135) usually weighed in between 140-148 and those fighting at welterweight usually weighed in between 152-160. I mean this PEDs issues are just pure bollshot!