Pacquiao fighting Mosley as a "legitimate opponent"

**toysale** · 12-03-2010, 06:48 PM

I'm bumpin this! Surely all you Floyd and Pac fans have an opinion on my view! Let's hear it!!

**120** · 12-03-2010, 06:49 PM

problem is Mosley isn't a thread anymore

**Gino Ros** · 12-03-2010, 07:03 PM

manny's recent opponents have lost about half of their fights coming in. Without checking...

mosley L-D
margarito L (KO)-W
clottey L
cotto L (KO) W-W
hatton L (KO) w w
delahoya L-W

6-6-1

**p4p-champ** · 12-03-2010, 07:05 PM

Pacman hasn't fought a legitimate threat since his light-weight days.

**Pullcounter** · 12-03-2010, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by toysale

Originally posted to the wrong thread, my bad.

I have no doubt it will sell, but he's not a credible opponent and his past two fights show that. Marquez is a more than credible opponent as he's been winning impressively (and not coming of a loss (or draw in this case)!!!

neither are truly credible. mosley as you say is coming off a loss and a draw. jmm can't carry the weight above 135 lbs.

And the only reason this fight is happening is in the anticipation that Pacquiao takes care of him more quickly than Mayweather did for better negotiating points. PPV, better win and everything else you can think of.

also these ***** talking points:

mosley is a slick african american boxer (hopkins said so), and slick AA are pac's kryptonite apparently.
mosley Ko marg, pac didn't. let's see who is the bigger puncher

I respect Pacquiao, what he's done is phenomenal and especially for boxing as a sport but his last two opponents have been against good opposition (in all fairness) whom wouldn't pose any sort of a threat.
I don't like to diss Pacquiao as he's an ATG, no doubt about it. But this is what I think on this fight possibilty (and confirmed basically as far as I know)

1) margarito outweighed pac by 20+ lbs
2) no one knew clottey was gonna clam up

Marquez is still the man, and he would bring in more PPV buys than Mosley would if money is all they want (only addressing posters on this forum who said that) but it doesn't seem as if he's willing to fight the toughest opposition anymore.

have you considered that wifebeater/mosley did better buys than wifebeater/jmm?

jmm may or may not bring in more ppv buys, but you have to consider that gbp will stilll get a cut of jmm's purse, and therefore they will ask for a bigger price tag. mosley, a free agent, does not suffer from such a thing and effectively his purse demands will be smaller, therefore making top rank much richer.

No doubt he's an all time great, but cement your legacy! Fight legitimate fighters who aren't past their prime and haven't lost their last fight!

cotto didn't lose his last fight.
clottey arguably won his last fight and is in his prime.
margarito didn't lose his last fight.

cotto can improve but seems to have peaked. margarito is done.

Fight Marquez!

isn't he past his prime?

He deserves a shot and arguably beat you twice (although I believe it's 1 a piece).

jmm has to prove he can carry the weight. also, pac beat him 2x.

Mosley's money and only poses a threat in punching power and speed, Marquez is a legitimate threat who could beat you AND IT MEANS more money (Mexicans, America and even Britain IMO (I'd buy this fight without a doubt)).

according to hopkins, only slick african americans can beat pac.

He needs to fight a legitimate threat rather than past their prime fighters or Mayweather's previous beaten opponents (and no matter how much of a Pacquiao fan you are, you have to admit, he seems to be picking remains).

wait... wasn't JMM previous beaten by wifebeater?

He's an all time great undoubtably but now it's time to prove how great he is. Fight Marquez at 140! He's still in his prime (IMO) and he's not one dimensional!!!!! (As was Hatton, Clottey & Margarito (IMO!!!))

jmm has to prove he can carry the weight above 135 lbs. he's slightly past his prime, but still legitimate good, but only at 135 lbs.

**Pullcounter** · 12-03-2010, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by p4p-champ

Pacman hasn't fought a legitimate threat since his light-weight days.

revisionist bull****

**fatherpain** · 12-03-2010, 07:18 PM

I'd prefer Pac take on Jmm but if it's gonna be SSM mebbe it's somewhat legit.
Sure, he got dominated by Pbf, but mebbe it can be argued Shane's 2nd round bomb before he gassed out sent Floyd back into retirement. Floyd has been irrelevant since that fight, lol.

**toysale** · 12-04-2010, 02:20 PM

Reply to Pullcounter

neither are truly credible. mosley as you say is coming off a loss and a draw. jmm can't carry the weight above 135 lbs.

That is true but Pacquiao can make 140 still easily and it would be the fairest weight class to fight at. He may not be able to fight like he does at 135 in a higher weight class, but he's still a more legitimate threat than Mosley is IMO.

1) margarito outweighed pac by 20+ lbs
2) no one knew clottey was gonna clam up

Margarito may have had the weight advantage but that still doesn't make him a better fighter. He is good but not great, and the weight advantage was the only legitimate threat he posed; besides that he fights in straight lines.

And although you would've thought that Clottey would have opened up a bit, he rarely does. Pacquiao's pace was outstanding but who gave Clottey a chance realistically. He always fights from a shell and won't come out of that shell unless a fighter calms it down for a bit. And IMO he's still not a great fighter, he's good but I didn't see him as a threat before the fight.

have you considered that wifebeater/mosley did better buys than wifebeater/jmm?

That maybe true but JMM vs Pacquiao compared to Mosley vs Pacquiao would have to sell more realistically. It'd be the third fight in a trilogy, there's a bit of controversy in the previous fights (depending on who you thought won) and Marquez poses all kinds of threats (as we saw against Katsidis).

isn't he past his prime?

Whether or not Marquez is past his prime, he's still a more legitimate threat. He looked much better in his last two fights than Mosley did.

according to hopkins, only slick african americans can beat pac.

That's Hopkins view, not mine. Morales beat him and he's definately not African American. (Just proving a point, I know this loss was ages ago).

wait... wasn't JMM previous beaten by wifebeater?

I agree with you here, I remember it was Mayweather's intention to show he could beat Marquez more easily than Pacquiao, but Pacquiao's doing the same in return (Hatton/Hoya/Mosley (if the fight happens)).

It seems to me they're both looking for the edge in negotiations.

My point being though, that between the two fighters, Marquez is a more credible opponent than Mosley based on their last 2 fights.

Pacquiao fighting Mosley as a "legitimate opponent"