Comments Thread For: Arum Rips Schaefer Over Marquez Demands: 'No Trilogy!'

[WESS]

Yeah, I'm delusional. Re-read that bullshit you just wrote and run head first into a wall.

I was THIS close to going full *******, until Pac revealed himself to be no better than Fraud.

Both *****made cherrypicking frauds.

Shut up man, I'm right. You only make yourself look like more of a **** gobbler by defending this monstrosity.

Mosley/Pac is gonna bomb and bomb bad.

That's the spirit! They both are doing the same thing. If one calls Floyd a coward, Pac is too and vice-a-versa.

How are people so hypocritically blind and biased?

[WESS]

The only chance Mosley has is going back to his old style and that can only happen is if he goes back to his Pop's Jack Mosley.

and about 10 years deducted from his age.



"88 miles an hour" - back to the future!

[mikemurni]

and about 10 years deducted from his age.



"88 miles an hour" - back to the future!

Hehehe...JMM is already 38 years old.. Not to mention a LW..

[Michael Hall]

Bob Arum thinks boxing fans are ignorant monkies! The PPV should be boycotted by all hardcore boxing fans. Let the idiot casual fan buy that ****.

[Lorily]

Are you one of those ****heads that cannot comprehend the difference between a divisional limit and the weigh-in just prior to the fight?

Manny weighed 144.

Marquez weighed 134.

Martinez weighed 157.

Fight night weights have little-to-no bearing on how much muscle-mass and conditioning you can take into the fight, and anybody who knows anything about boxing should be aware of that.

Give yourself an uppercut, read the rest of this post, and then give yourself another uppercut.

Obviously 135 is the limit for Marquez. The Katsidis fight that took place over the weekend, is the first fight where the career-featherweight Marquez has even looked close to being a genuine lightweight.

Clearly, even at 140, Manny would still have a HUGE advantage over the old-age pensioner Marquez..... and Manny can easily make 140.

Immediately prior to the Margarito fight, Freddie Roach and Alex Ariza both stated that Manny was a natural junior welterweight. Ariza said that they simply could not keep any weight on Manny, and that he had to eat 6 meals a day just to remain at welterweight.

Bob Arum's earlier comment that he did not want Manny to "starve" himself to make 143, was an absolute lie, and a total b1tch-move by Team Pacquiao.

Here is proof that Manny Pacquiao can eat "anything on the table" while training for a fight where he weighed in at 144.....
http://www.examiner.com/fight-sports...t-middleweight
http://www.strengthspeedagility.com/...aining-program
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/g...ible-physique/
http://www.pacquiao-margarito.com/en...-inner-circle/
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleid=621958
http://ezinearticles.com/?Boxing-Rin...nce&id=2546429
http://www.pacquiaovsmargarito.net/w...ight-pacquiao/
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/g...ment-at-first/
http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blo...o-inner-circle

Here is the Team Pacquiao lie.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=33333

Why did Team Pacquiao lie ?

Manny has a much bigger frame than the career-featherweight Marquez. At 147, Manny will be able to officially build up to 6-7lbs of muscle that Marquez' smaller frame simply cannot support.

The smaller Marquez cannot build anywhere near the same usable muscle-mass that Mannys larger frame can accomodate, let alone maintain that muscle-mass, let alone use that muscle-mass to the point where it directly affects your power.

On a smaller frame it is much more difficult to build usable power without it affecting your speed, and if Marquez does not maintain his speed, then it will turn out to be a bad mis-match.

Even at 140, Juan would only have a small chance against Manny - who would be much faster, and much stronger - and if Marquez does not maintain his speed, then he will have no chance at all, because his skills will not be effective against the faster/stronger Pacquiao.

The posters that are suggesting that the weight would make no difference, are being a little dishonest.

And the posters that are suggesting that the fight-night weights are the same anyway, are confusing water rehydration with usable muscle-mass. I am not an expert on Manny's fight-night weight, nor Juan's for that matter, but you posters that are suggesting there is no difference between the two, are confusing the water re-hydration of Marquez, with the official muscle-mass of Pacquiao.

The point is.....

Freddie Roach and Bob Arum are both well aware that Marquez cannot fight any higher than 135. If the fight was held at 140, then it would be a lightweight against a junior welterweight. But if the fight was held at 147, then it would be a lightweight vs a small welterweight.....

..... WHICH IS WHY THEY LIED !!

I get what you're saying Lead, and I agree with some of your points - to a certain extent. However in some of your previous posts you also have the arguement about what a "ducking coward" Pac is for not going up and facing Martinez at 154. In the post I'm quoting from you on this thread, you make this stance about how wrong it is for JMM to have to fight at a weight that doesn't favor him and that their weigh in prior to fights being similar, rather then official weigh in, means nothing. You point out the difference between "divisional weight limit" and weigh in just prior to fight - and all the reasons why they're different and clearly favor Pac in your opinion (and why that means Pac should go down to JMM rather than JMM coming up to Pac), but when you apply the same reason between Pac and Martinez, don't the same rules apply? In your points (from the thread "De La Hoya: Pacquiao Forces Boxers To Lose on The Scale"), you make a numberof reasons why Pac is a coward and a b1tch - implying why he should be given no respect. One of those reasons being Pac not facing Martinez at 154:

"If you cant compete at 154, don't fight there.

Manny Pacquiao is a coward for ducking Sergio Martinez. If JMM can go up two divisions to WW, then surely Manny can defend his JMW title at 154."

You just gave us all the reasons why it was an unfair advantage and JMM shouldn't have to have to "go up two divisions to WW" (although he seemed O.K. with it when it was against FMJ) but yet, is it not an unfair advantage for Manny to have to go up two divisions to fight a NATURAL middleweight in Sergio Martinez? That makes Manny a coward and a *****?

Manny and his entire team stated before the Marg fight that he would NOT be staying in the higher weight division or defending his title at JMW. Even in your explaination here of the "divisional limit" weigh in -

Manny weighed 144.

Marquez weighed 134.

Martinez weighed 157.

there's a 9lb. weight difference between Pac and JMM, and a 13lb. difference between Pac and Martinez WITHOUT THE ADDITIONAL HYDRATING WEIGHT that Martinez would clearly put on, which would surely be atleast another 10-20lbs. You can say that water weight doesn't make a difference, but I just don't see how you can say that Pac not fighting a naturally bigger man and NATURAL middleweight (with a significant height advantage) and 20-30lbs weight differential on fight night, makes him a coward and a b1tch. For you to give credit to Manny it seems not only should he have to go down in weight to fight JMM at his comfortable weight of 135-140lbs., but he must also go all the way up to the opposite end of the spectrum and go up to fight Martinez at his comfortable weight (which is actually 158lbs., but he said he would come down to 156lbs.). Why does Pac have to fight all the way from 140 to 154ish to gain your respect, but yet none of his opponents should be taken out of their comfort zone to land a multi-million dollar fight with the man that everyone wants to fight? JMM didn't seem to mind when it was Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Pac fought at the higher weight limit ("150lbs.") once, just as JMM fought at the higher weight limit ("144lbs.") once. I think we all know that Manny never intended (AND they stated that fact PRIOR to the fight) to stay at that weight, nor did JMM at the time.


I like you Lead, and you've never been disrespectful to me. But you seem to be on a bit of a tirade regarding this subject. Just because you don't agree with someone elses opinion, nor they yours - it doesn't seem really neccessary to name call and berate others over their chosen feeling on the matter. I may not post my thoughts as eloquently as some, and they may seem a bit long winded at times, but I try to be respectful and just say things the best I know how. Some things may be off or I might not explain what I'm thinking very well. Not everyone is going to agree or see things the same way I do. That's just life on a message board. These are just my thoughts - as long as no one is attacking me personally then everyone is entitled to an opinion, no matter how outlandish it may seem to you or me. God Bless.

[iNDOLiFER]

^^^ good post

[KingVick]

margarito deserved more right? after lying to the public for decades anyone who listens to arum must be delusional.

[KingVick]

who gives a ****.
Ask nate cambell if he thinks golden boy is a ****ty company. One thing about nate is that he speaks his mind.Thing is they put you in hard fights and test their prospects, while arum over protects them and feeds bums to his champs. Golden boy= good for boxing
arum= bad for boxing. Cant wait till that dude kicks the bucket

im throwing a big party the day "greedy" bob dies. it will go down as the greatest day for the sport of boxing.

[KingVick]

I get what you're saying Lead, and I agree with some of your points - to a certain extent. However in some of your previous posts you also have the arguement about what a "ducking coward" Pac is for not going up and facing Martinez at 154. In the post I'm quoting from you on this thread, you make this stance about how wrong it is for JMM to have to fight at a weight that doesn't favor him and that their weigh in prior to fights being similar, rather then official weigh in, means nothing. You point out the difference between "divisional weight limit" and weigh in just prior to fight - and all the reasons why they're different and clearly favor Pac in your opinion (and why that means Pac should go down to JMM rather than JMM coming up to Pac), but when you apply the same reason between Pac and Martinez, don't the same rules apply? In your points (from the thread "De La Hoya: Pacquiao Forces Boxers To Lose on The Scale"), you make a numberof reasons why Pac is a coward and a b1tch - implying why he should be given no respect. One of those reasons being Pac not facing Martinez at 154:

"If you cant compete at 154, don't fight there.

Manny Pacquiao is a coward for ducking Sergio Martinez. If JMM can go up two divisions to WW, then surely Manny can defend his JMW title at 154."

You just gave us all the reasons why it was an unfair advantage and JMM shouldn't have to have to "go up two divisions to WW" (although he seemed O.K. with it when it was against FMJ) but yet, is it not an unfair advantage for Manny to have to go up two divisions to fight a NATURAL middleweight in Sergio Martinez? That makes Manny a coward and a *****?

Manny and his entire team stated before the Marg fight that he would NOT be staying in the higher weight division or defending his title at JMW. Even in your explaination here of the "divisional limit" weigh in -

Manny weighed 144.

Marquez weighed 134.

Martinez weighed 157.

there's a 9lb. weight difference between Pac and JMM, and a 13lb. difference between Pac and Martinez WITHOUT THE ADDITIONAL HYDRATING WEIGHT that Martinez would clearly put on, which would surely be atleast another 10-20lbs. You can say that water weight doesn't make a difference, but I just don't see how you can say that Pac not fighting a naturally bigger man and NATURAL middleweight (with a significant height advantage) and 20-30lbs weight differential on fight night, makes him a coward and a b1tch. For you to give credit to Manny it seems not only should he have to go down in weight to fight JMM at his comfortable weight of 135-140lbs., but he must also go all the way up to the opposite end of the spectrum and go up to fight Martinez at his comfortable weight (which is actually 158lbs., but he said he would come down to 156lbs.). Why does Pac have to fight all the way from 140 to 154ish to gain your respect, but yet none of his opponents should be taken out of their comfort zone to land a multi-million dollar fight with the man that everyone wants to fight? JMM didn't seem to mind when it was Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Pac fought at the higher weight limit ("150lbs.") once, just as JMM fought at the higher weight limit ("144lbs.") once. I think we all know that Manny never intended (AND they stated that fact PRIOR to the fight) to stay at that weight, nor did JMM at the time.


I like you Lead, and you've never been disrespectful to me. But you seem to be on a bit of a tirade regarding this subject. Just because you don't agree with someone elses opinion, nor they yours - it doesn't seem really neccessary to name call and berate others over their chosen feeling on the matter. I may not post my thoughts as eloquently as some, and they may seem a bit long winded at times, but I try to be respectful and just say things the best I know how. Some things may be off or I might not explain what I'm thinking very well. Not everyone is going to agree or see things the same way I do. That's just life on a message board. These are just my thoughts - as long as no one is attacking me personally then everyone is entitled to an opinion, no matter how outlandish it may seem to you or me. God Bless.

its ok for marquez to go to 147 but manny cant do 148. its okay for martinez to drop down from 154 to 150 but not ok for manny to drop down from 144 to 140!

[antweezy23]

**** arum, and **** this fight!...If it ain't Marquez or Mayweather, I watching this bull**** fight