Comments Thread For: Arum Rips Schaefer Over Marquez Demands: 'No Trilogy!'

[Woosha]

i'll wait to see if we hear different from Schaefer, but if it went down like Arum is saying then it's pretty cut & dry that Marquez threw away any chance of this fight...

He's in a postion where he can demand little, let alone 50/50 no chance.

[Championart]

No way in hell Marquez demanded 50/50. I think some of you here would love for that to happen just so that this fight doesn't get made and Pac instead fights Mosley.

[Bong Bong]

How can $4 million not be enough for Marquez? WTF are these people thinking?

[Sugar Q]

Most of you Pac**** have Manny's joint so far up inside you that your ignorant to common sense. Marquez is definitely worth 4 million and even more in this fight. Manny would still make 15+. This is exactly why the PBF fight didn't and won't happen because he will not play the Manny games. F Manny's b1tch ass. Where is the compromise in this clown? Why shouldn't Marquez make 6 or 7 mill in this fight let lone a mere 4.

[LeadUppercut]

Pacquiao weighed 148 his last fight. Marquez 145. Martinez 168.

JMM sure is brave to challenge someone three pounds bigger and a half inch shorter. Wow.

Are you one of those ****heads that cannot comprehend the difference between a divisional limit and the weigh-in just prior to the fight?

Manny weighed 144.

Marquez weighed 134.

Martinez weighed 157.

Fight night weights have little-to-no bearing on how much muscle-mass and conditioning you can take into the fight, and anybody who knows anything about boxing should be aware of that.

Give yourself an uppercut, read the rest of this post, and then give yourself another uppercut.

Obviously 135 is the limit for Marquez. The Katsidis fight that took place over the weekend, is the first fight where the career-featherweight Marquez has even looked close to being a genuine lightweight.

Clearly, even at 140, Manny would still have a HUGE advantage over the old-age pensioner Marquez..... and Manny can easily make 140.

Immediately prior to the Margarito fight, Freddie Roach and Alex Ariza both stated that Manny was a natural junior welterweight. Ariza said that they simply could not keep any weight on Manny, and that he had to eat 6 meals a day just to remain at welterweight.

Bob Arum's earlier comment that he did not want Manny to "starve" himself to make 143, was an absolute lie, and a total b1tch-move by Team Pacquiao.

Here is proof that Manny Pacquiao can eat "anything on the table" while training for a fight where he weighed in at 144.....
http://www.examiner.com/fight-sports...t-middleweight
http://www.strengthspeedagility.com/...aining-program
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/g...ible-physique/
http://www.pacquiao-margarito.com/en...-inner-circle/
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleid=621958
http://ezinearticles.com/?Boxing-Rin...nce&id=2546429
http://www.pacquiaovsmargarito.net/w...ight-pacquiao/
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/g...ment-at-first/
http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blo...o-inner-circle

Here is the Team Pacquiao lie.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=33333

Why did Team Pacquiao lie ?

Manny has a much bigger frame than the career-featherweight Marquez. At 147, Manny will be able to officially build up to 6-7lbs of muscle that Marquez' smaller frame simply cannot support.

The smaller Marquez cannot build anywhere near the same usable muscle-mass that Mannys larger frame can accomodate, let alone maintain that muscle-mass, let alone use that muscle-mass to the point where it directly affects your power.

On a smaller frame it is much more difficult to build usable power without it affecting your speed, and if Marquez does not maintain his speed, then it will turn out to be a bad mis-match.

Even at 140, Juan would only have a small chance against Manny - who would be much faster, and much stronger - and if Marquez does not maintain his speed, then he will have no chance at all, because his skills will not be effective against the faster/stronger Pacquiao.

The posters that are suggesting that the weight would make no difference, are being a little dishonest.

And the posters that are suggesting that the fight-night weights are the same anyway, are confusing water rehydration with usable muscle-mass. I am not an expert on Manny's fight-night weight, nor Juan's for that matter, but you posters that are suggesting there is no difference between the two, are confusing the water re-hydration of Marquez, with the official muscle-mass of Pacquiao.

The point is.....

Freddie Roach and Bob Arum are both well aware that Marquez cannot fight any higher than 135. If the fight was held at 140, then it would be a lightweight against a junior welterweight. But if the fight was held at 147, then it would be a lightweight vs a small welterweight.....

..... WHICH IS WHY THEY LIED !!

[Woosha]

Don't get me wrong I want Marquez III like a motherf**ker! I just hope that he went the right way about it. Dealin with Arum would be like walkin a tightrope.

[ADP02]

"Sugar Shane Mosley, the wily, 38 year old veteran"

Shane Mosley is 39 years old and will be 40 next year. Stop trying to take years off of him. Mayweather fought a 38 year old Mosley. Pacquiao will fight a Mosley closer to 40.

"Mayweather fought a 38 year old Mosley."
"Pacquiao will fight a Mosley closer to 40."

Here is what one would call a Floyd fan at his best.

He freaks out that Arum made a mistake but then tries to defend Floyd while hating on Manny all at once and bungles the whole thing!

There will be EXACTLY 1 year difference between these 2 fights yet you somehow manage to make Floyd fight Mosley 2 years earlier (ie. younger) than against Manny.

[znarfv_y2k8]

The question is if you know how to read...

pacquiao wants nothing to do with marquez and you guys are trying to say marquez is pricing himself out when an offer wasnt even made. You as fans are pathetic i must say. Its almost damn right funny

You have to understand what you read, Arum clearly explained there....That is why we've come up to such argument because an offer was made through an email made by Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer to Top Rank President Todd duBoef...According to Arum that they are not realistic in that way they're trying to avoid Manny & put someone else like Guerrero cause Schaefer knows that if Marquez will fight Manny it will be the end of Marquez...

[PoetryInMotion]

This is why I stoped posting so much on this board!

Where the hell is anyone getting that Marquez demanded a 50/50 split. It doesnt say that anywhere. Look at the facts and apply some common sense. Fact, this is from a story ran earlier this week on this same site.

Arum-
“All I need is for them to send us a letter saying, ‘Okay, we’ll accept X amount of dollars as a guarantee, and Y dollars for the upside, ‘which, we know what ‘X’ and ‘Y’ were for their fight against Mayweather. So it’s either a little less or the same, but not five cents more.”

This is from the story now that you guys are posting on.

Arum-
“How do they ask us to pay the same amount he got for the Mayweather fight, which he lost? How do they ask for the same amount or even anything slightly less than that? It makes zero sense.”

It makes zero sense to meet your demands? No wonder this guy can not get a negotiation done with any other promoter but himself. Then he tries to spin it like Marquez is ducking Pacquiao! Anyone who doesn't call bull**** on this is the one who is "deranged".

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[Mr. Fantastic]

In my opinion, if Marquez truly truly wants to fight Pac again and it's personal then he should just fight him for whatever offer. If he wins, he will most likely benefit with the next fight.