Lucian Bute VS Andre Ward (Common Opponents)

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Sometimes I hear people say things like: "Bute has never fought anyone of note, so why do RING Magazine and BoxRec.Com rank him as the #1 SMW in the world ahead of guys like Carl Froch and Andre Ward?"

- First of all, Bute has beaten name opponents. Sakio Bika is a guy who at the time Bute fought him, was a top6 SMW in the world. Bute essentially outboxed him and made him look silly. Edison Miranda is also a guy, who has a win over Allan Green, and at one time was thought of as a tremendous prospect, and a big puncher.

Its also important to note that rankings are not only determined by who you beat, but also, *by how you beat them*.

Lets compare the 2 common opponents of Andre Ward and Lucian Bute:

Bute KO 3 Miranda / Ward W 12 Miranda

Bute completely outclasses, KOs Edison Miranda with an uppercut. Edison Miranda goes 12 rounds with Andre Ward and even wins 3 or 4 rounds along the way. Ward was involved in a competitive decision win and Bute just KO'd Miranda with ease.

Advantage: Bute

Bute W 12 Bika / Ward W 12 Bika

Andre Ward is ultra competitive with Bika, and contrary to the judges' scores. Many people thought the fight was painfully close to a draw, or a 115-113 type win for Ward. Ward looked very bad, ugly. Bute on the other hand boxed Bika masterfully, and just outboxed him, making him look like a fool.

Advantage: Bute

So, you see, its not just concerned with who you beat, but *how* you beat them.

This is a partial justification for rating Bute ahead of Ward, Froch, etc.

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Its also important to note that Boxrec.com rating is based on statistical index and is thus unbiased.

Lucian Bute is rated #1 not only because of who he has beaten, but also, how he has beaten them.

Andrade, Bika were both easily top10 SMWs when Bute beat them.

[cleaner147]

problem is supermiddleweight has never been a big division.

Bute is a great champ who fought good guys, but in the moment the division is somekind of stocked, but they are all injured or in the Super 6 tourney.

people like to see Bute taking risks, fight outside of Candana and take on the Super 6 winner.

defeat or victory doesnt matter, just fight cuz theres always a big ? with '0' guys

[nachorjj]

Sometimes I hear people say things like: "Bute has never fought anyone of note, so why do RING Magazine and BoxRec.Com rank him as the #1 SMW in the world ahead of guys like Carl Froch and Andre Ward?"

- First of all, Bute has beaten name opponents. Sakio Bika is a guy who at the time Bute fought him, was a top6 SMW in the world. Bute essentially outboxed him and made him look silly. Edison Miranda is also a guy, who has a win over Allan Green, and at one time was thought of as a tremendous prospect, and a big puncher.

Its also important to note that rankings are not only determined by who you beat, but also, *by how you beat them*.

Lets compare the 2 common opponents of Andre Ward and Lucian Bute:

Bute KO 3 Miranda / Ward W 12 Miranda

Bute completely outclasses, KOs Edison Miranda with an uppercut. Edison Miranda goes 12 rounds with Andre Ward and even wins 3 or 4 rounds along the way. Ward was involved in a competitive decision win and Bute just KO'd Miranda with ease.

Advantage: Bute

Bute W 12 Bika / Ward W 12 Bika

Andre Ward is ultra competitive with Bika, and contrary to the judges' scores. Many people thought the fight was painfully close to a draw, or a 115-113 type win for Ward. Ward looked very bad, ugly. Bute on the other hand boxed Bika masterfully, and just outboxed him, making him look like a fool.

Advantage: Bute

So, you see, its not just concerned with who you beat, but *how* you beat them.

This is a partial justification for rating Bute ahead of Ward, Froch, etc.

Ward beat Kessler, the favorite to win the super 6, and who beat Carl Froch

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But Ward also looked bad VS Sakio Bika

and looked shoddy against Edison god damn Miranda

Relatively speaking.

Sorry but W 12 Edison Miranda is not a good result...