if you think Abraham, Paul Williams, Clottey are BUMs than...

[Uturn]

Anybody who thinks they are bums have low level boxing IQ. When you step up your going to get beat some stage by A) either a better fight than you B) a style that is all wrong for you! All those guys you mentioned are decent operators at the high level, and can compete at the top even if they don't win every fight vs the elite.

[cleaner147]

at least some guys who agree

on your way to the top – you might fall down, thats the way boxing goes and many fighters go thruh, its really hard to bounce back.

I saw so many fighters retire afer the first defeat or they werent the same anymore.