Comments Thread For: Arum: Mayweather is Unreachable; Mosley Over Marquez

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jack, you seem to think that I am making some kind of comparison between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jnr.

I most definitely am not.

I don't care about Floyd Mayweather, you can call him a coward if you wish.

Mayweather is not even currently relevant to boxing, and he hasn't been for awhile now, although, ya gotta give him credit for Mosley.

Forget about Floyd Mayweather, he is on vacation. He is busy sunbathing and getting arrested.

This is about why that coward Manny Pacquiao is too scared to fight Juan Manuel Marquez unless the fight is held at 147.

I have edited your post, and deleted the stuff that you wrote about Mayweather, because it had absolutely nothing at all to do with my post. Except for question 2 of course, because that question referred to Mayweather, so I will include your entire comment.

Please let me know if you think that I have unfairly excluded anything.

I will reply below.....

1) pac is not claiming the 8 division champ he was awarded by defeating margo

2)you can't call pac a coward by using floyd's ost coz he agreed to floyd's request that floyd didn't refuted. "MEANWHILE FLOYD AND HIS PEOPLE ASKED VICTOR CONTE FOR ADVICED REGARDING BLOODTESTING THATS WHY FLOYD STATED THE 14 DAYS TEST IN THE FIRST FAILED NEGOTIATION BUT WHEN PAC AGREED TO THAT 14 DAYS TEST(BUT NOW ITS 7 DAYS TEST). FLOYD SUDDENLY CHANGES HIS MIND(SEEMS DUCKING) THAT IN THE END THE VERY PERSON WHO FLOYD AND HIS PEOPLE ASKED FOR ADVISED BERATED FLOYD ACTUATION AND SIDED WITH PACQUIAO.

3) can't call pac a coward without smearing floyds named at the same time. pac already fought bigger men who outweights him 10 to 20 lbs by fight time.

4) you can't descredit pac fighting at Catchweight since he was coming from lower weight and his body composition is naturally a lightweight fighting bigger men

5) link? pac stated it by himself?

6) pac has all the right to asked concessions..he earned it at least he's asking jmm who is taller than him and started at 126lbs to fight at 147lbs so basically jmm who is taller will not be shortchange

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1.) Manny Pacquiao is a coward for claiming to be an 8-division champion, and yet being too scared to EVER fight an actual JMW oppenent.

1) pac is not claiming the 8 division champ he was awarded by defeating margo.

Manny won a junior middleweight title, now he is an 8-division champion.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr4KQQIvrTE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqeSd2qr6Rs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UxpkGoHOeA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rff89Z7ep4I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOYI2K2ZXz8

Manny's 8th title is an absolute joke.

The vacant junior middleweight title that Manny won by beating that slow, plodding, mediocre, shop-worn, welterweight BUM, who had no KO power, and who could not even compete with the top welter's..... was an absolute joke, and is worthless.

Ol' grandpa Mosley had just beaten the **** out of that welterweight bum Margarito, and he knocked cheato TFO, that is why Manny is too scared to fight Mosley.

Manny is a junior middleweight champion, but he is too scared to EVER fight a real junior middleweight oppenent, only that welterweight bum Margarito.

2.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Mayweather back in December, either that or he is a steroid cheat. He didn't want none of Mayweather or the tests, thats for sure.

2)you can't call pac a coward by using floyd's ost coz he agreed to floyd's request that floyd didn't refuted. "MEANWHILE FLOYD AND HIS PEOPLE ASKED VICTOR CONTE FOR ADVICED REGARDING BLOODTESTING THATS WHY FLOYD STATED THE 14 DAYS TEST IN THE FIRST FAILED NEGOTIATION BUT WHEN PAC AGREED TO THAT 14 DAYS TEST(BUT NOW ITS 7 DAYS TEST). FLOYD SUDDENLY CHANGES HIS MIND(SEEMS DUCKING) THAT IN THE END THE VERY PERSON WHO FLOYD AND HIS PEOPLE ASKED FOR ADVISED BERATED FLOYD ACTUATION AND SIDED WITH PACQUIAO.

Yes I can call Manny a coward. Negotiations fell through because Manny would not agree to random blood tests without a 24 day cut-off.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=27427

Either Manny was scared of Mayweather, or he was scared of the blood tests, but he sure as hell was scared of something.

3.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Sergio Martinez. If JMM can go up two divisions to WW, then surely Manny can defend his JMW title at 154. What a b1tch Manny.

3) can't call pac a coward without smearing floyds named at the same time. pac already fought bigger men who outweights him 10 to 20 lbs by fight time.

STOP !

I don't care about Mayweather, call him a coward if you wish, but it does not change the fact that Manny was a coward.

4.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for demanding a catch-weight for Cotto. There are two reasons to demand a catch-weight, either you are not good enough to compete with that fighter at his natural weight, which is fine..... or you are attempting to drain him to gain an unfair advantage, which is cowardly. Team Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.

4) you can't descredit pac fighting at Catchweight since he was coming from lower weight and his body composition is naturally a lightweight fighting bigger men

I can discredit Manny for demanding a catch-weight of 145 for Cotto.

Manny had already fought at 147.

There was no need to ask for a catch-weight of 145, Manny could probably have beaten Cotto at 147. The reason Manny demanded a catch-weight was an attempt to weight-drain Cotto in order to gain an unfair advantage. Manny had already fought at welterweight against Hoya, so it was cowardly to attempt to weight-drain Cotto.

5.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Shane Mosley - TWICE !!

5) link? pac stated it by himself?

Who cares if Manny said it himself? Manny is the boss, Team Pacquiao work for him. Freddie Roach said it. Manny was too scared to fight Mosley.....

"[I]Shane came to the gym twice to ask me to let him fight Manny," Roach says. "I told him no..... you're too good a fighter."
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...d_to_hate.html
http://www.fighthype.com/community/i...howtopic=25335
http://insidefights.com/2010/02/04/f...-hard-to-hate/

Manny was too scared to fight Mosley.....

6.) And Manny "padded" Pacquiao is also a dirty coward for refusing to fight Marquez unless the fight is held at 147.

6) pac has all the right to asked concessions..he earned it at least he's asking jmm who is taller than him and started at 126lbs to fight at 147lbs so basically jmm who is taller will not be shortchange.

That is a silly thing to say.

You are wrong.

Marquez did not "start at 126lbs", he did not go up in weight at all. Marquez is a career featherweight, he fought at 126 until past-his-prime.

Manny is a coward because he will not fight the midget old-age pensioner Marquez unless the bout is held at 147. The small lightweight Marquez has to go up two divisions to 147 to fight Pacquiao, and yet Manny will not even defend his junior middleweight title vs Martinez at 154.

Manny is much bigger than Marquez.

Manny is a coward because he is too scared to fight in his own division, and he is too scared to fight Marquez unless he goes up two weight divisions.

That is a b1tch move.

I don't think that you are being very honest jack.

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jack, you seem to think that I am making some kind of comparison between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jnr.

I most definitely am not.

I don't care about Floyd Mayweather, you can call him a coward if you wish.

Mayweather is not even currently relevant to boxing, and he hasn't been for awhile now, although, ya gotta give him credit for Mosley.

Forget about Floyd Mayweather, he is on vacation. He is busy sunbathing and getting arrested.

This is about why that coward Manny Pacquiao is too scared to fight Juan Manuel Marquez unless the fight is held at 147.

I have edited your post, and deleted the stuff that you wrote about Mayweather, because it had absolutely nothing at all to do with my post. Except for question 2 of course, because that question referred to Mayweather, so I will include your entire comment.

Please let me know if you think that I have unfairly excluded anything.

I will reply below.....

my apology then. since you think i'm mistaken coz the title of the ts includes mayweather.. but then calling pac a coward is unfair..he fought his way from 106 to 150 lbs is not an easy route and nobody does that except pac..you may say pac got leverage on those fight but who does not?...remember that if it is hard to go down a mere 1 lbs (cotto last fight is 146 lbs) then how about pac bloating himself up? you should not also forget the fact that by fight time pac's bigger opponent hydrates up to 10 -20 lbs more ..isnt it a huge advantage already for pac's opponents by the time they fight?.....have since the newer threads regarding marquez pricing himself out again? like the 1st rematch when he turned down 750k just to fight for a measly 30k only to suffer defeat at the hands of chris john and why wont he challenged chris john again since john has 1 win over him and its easier to double the 30k fight fee?.. and for the next rematch jmm pricng himself out again and asked for ost and 50-50 share on ppv which is again unfair to pac..again jmm is taller and bigger than pac that is a fact so if pac can do why can't jmm!

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Manny's 8th title is an absolute joke.

The vacant junior middleweight title that Manny won by beating that slow, plodding, mediocre, shop-worn, welterweight BUM, who had no KO power, and who could not even compete with the top welter's..... was an absolute joke, and is worthless.

Ol' grandpa Mosley had just beaten the **** out of that welterweight bum Margarito, and he knocked cheato TFO, that is why Manny is too scared to fight Mosley.

Manny is a junior middleweight champion, but he is too scared to EVER fight a real junior middleweight oppenent, only that welterweight bum Margarito.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ you can descredit pac 8 division title but you cannot descredit the fact that pac is the only one who has 4 lineal titles of the original 8 division and is more prestigious done 8 division title of today.
reserved your judgement until pac retires and if he didnt fought martinez bcoz we don't know what pac's future fight would be..and if ever he does not fight martinez then he is just true to himiself since fighting a guy 25 lbs heavier than you is a dumb move..ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT???

Yes I can call Manny a coward. Negotiations fell through because Manny would not agree to random blood tests without a 24 day cut-off.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=27427

Either Manny was scared of Mayweather, or he was scared of the blood tests, but he sure as hell was scared of something.++++++++++++++++++++++then argue on this ""For whatever claims they said about Floyd being drug testing for the Mosley fight, he was tested 19 days before the fight. Let's get real here. Floyd's saying my way or the highway, well that's BS. It's got to be a compromise and there's never going 100% (accurate test) and we need to acknowledge that and I think Manny has made an effort to compromise and move to Floyd's direction and I think Manny needs to be applauded for that." -- Victor Conte" now who do you think is scared?

STOP !

I don't care about Mayweather, call him a coward if you wish, but it does not change the fact that Manny was a coward.++++++++++++++++++++++++++ go tell that infront of pac.

I can discredit Manny for demanding a catch-weight of 145 for Cotto.

Manny had already fought at 147.

There was no need to ask for a catch-weight of 145, Manny could probably have beaten Cotto at 147. The reason Manny demanded a catch-weight was an attempt to weight-drain Cotto in order to gain an unfair advantage. Manny had already fought at welterweight against Hoya, so it was cowardly to attempt to weight-drain Cotto.++++++++++++++++++cotto last fought at 146 lbs so its a mere 1 lb difference..did you also consider pac bloating himself up? seems like you only look on the dehydrating side and disregarding pac coming up on weights and its a fact that both has a negative factor physically..is it still a coward act fighting bigger guys than you????

Who cares if Manny said it himself? Manny is the boss, Team Pacquiao work for him. Freddie Roach said it. Manny was too scared to fight Mosley.....

"[i]Shane came to the gym twice to ask me to let him fight Manny," Roach says. "I told him no..... you're too good a fighter."
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...d_to_hate.html
http://www.fighthype.com/community/i...howtopic=25335
http://insidefights.com/2010/02/04/f...-hard-to-hate/

Manny was too scared to fight Mosley.....+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++don't you think that is all hype??? they are in the business that hyping a fight would bring money...again reserved your judgement if pac retires and never fought mosley. but last i heard is that mosley is leading the lottery to fight pac in april.



You are wrong.++++++++++++no i'm not you are

Marquez did not "start at 126lbs", he did not go up in weight at all. Marquez is a career featherweight, he fought at 126 until past-his-prime.++++++++++go look at jmm boxrec

Manny is a coward because he will not fight the midget old-age pensioner Marquez unless the bout is held at 147. The small lightweight Marquez has to go up two divisions to 147 to fight Pacquiao, and yet Manny will not even defend his junior middleweight title vs Martinez at 154.+++++++++++++jmm is 5'7" while pac is 5'61/2" if pac can do ww why can't jmm who is taller and also they already have a history of fighting one another so basically styles makes fight.. fighting martinez at 154lbs has all the leverage for martinez since he will bloat up to 175 by fight time so do you agree with me that if ever they fight it should be held at 150 lbs since pac is the belt holder and it is fair on pac who comes at 148 by fighttime?

Manny is much bigger than Marquez.+++++++++++++++++this is not a fact coz jmm is taller than pac

Manny is a coward because he is too scared to fight in his own division, and he is too scared to fight Marquez unless he goes up two weight divisions.++++++++++++++++what division are you talking???last i heard is that they will stay at 147 so if jmm wants to fight pac then he should go up to pac's division.



I don't think that you are being very honest jack.++++++++++++++++++++ i guess i'm more honest than you coz some of your points are not based on facts like "pac is bigger than jmm","jmm didnt start at 126","pac,s division" etc!

[jack2x]

Manny's 8th title is an absolute joke.

The vacant junior middleweight title that Manny won by beating that slow, plodding, mediocre, shop-worn, welterweight BUM, who had no KO power, and who could not even compete with the top welter's..... was an absolute joke, and is worthless.

Ol' grandpa Mosley had just beaten the **** out of that welterweight bum Margarito, and he knocked cheato TFO, that is why Manny is too scared to fight Mosley.

Manny is a junior middleweight champion, but he is too scared to EVER fight a real junior middleweight oppenent, only that welterweight bum Margarito.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ you can descredit pac 8 division title but you cannot descredit the fact that pac is the only one who has 4 lineal titles of the original 8 division and is more prestigious done 8 division title of today.
reserved your judgement until pac retires and if he didnt fought martinez bcoz we don't know what pac's future fight would be..and if ever he does not fight martinez then he is just true to himiself since fighting a guy 25 lbs heavier than you is a dumb move..ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT???

Yes I can call Manny a coward. Negotiations fell through because Manny would not agree to random blood tests without a 24 day cut-off.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=27427

Either Manny was scared of Mayweather, or he was scared of the blood tests, but he sure as hell was scared of something.++++++++++++++++++++++then argue on this ""For whatever claims they said about Floyd being drug testing for the Mosley fight, he was tested 19 days before the fight. Let's get real here. Floyd's saying my way or the highway, well that's BS. It's got to be a compromise and there's never going 100% (accurate test) and we need to acknowledge that and I think Manny has made an effort to compromise and move to Floyd's direction and I think Manny needs to be applauded for that." -- Victor Conte" now who do you think is scared?

STOP !

I don't care about Mayweather, call him a coward if you wish, but it does not change the fact that Manny was a coward.++++++++++++++++++++++++++ go tell that infront of pac.

I can discredit Manny for demanding a catch-weight of 145 for Cotto.

Manny had already fought at 147.

There was no need to ask for a catch-weight of 145, Manny could probably have beaten Cotto at 147. The reason Manny demanded a catch-weight was an attempt to weight-drain Cotto in order to gain an unfair advantage. Manny had already fought at welterweight against Hoya, so it was cowardly to attempt to weight-drain Cotto.++++++++++++++++++cotto last fought at 146 lbs so its a mere 1 lb difference..did you also consider pac bloating himself up? seems like you only look on the dehydrating side and disregarding pac coming up on weights and its a fact that both has a negative factor physically..is it still a coward act fighting bigger guys than you????

Who cares if Manny said it himself? Manny is the boss, Team Pacquiao work for him. Freddie Roach said it. Manny was too scared to fight Mosley.....

"[i]Shane came to the gym twice to ask me to let him fight Manny," Roach says. "I told him no..... you're too good a fighter."
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...d_to_hate.html
http://www.fighthype.com/community/i...howtopic=25335
http://insidefights.com/2010/02/04/f...-hard-to-hate/

Manny was too scared to fight Mosley.....+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++don't you think that is all hype??? they are in the business that hyping a fight would bring money...again reserved your judgement if pac retires and never fought mosley. but last i heard is that mosley is leading the lottery to fight pac in april.



You are wrong.++++++++++++no i'm not you are

Marquez did not "start at 126lbs", he did not go up in weight at all. Marquez is a career featherweight, he fought at 126 until past-his-prime.++++++++++go look at jmm boxrec

Manny is a coward because he will not fight the midget old-age pensioner Marquez unless the bout is held at 147. The small lightweight Marquez has to go up two divisions to 147 to fight Pacquiao, and yet Manny will not even defend his junior middleweight title vs Martinez at 154.+++++++++++++jmm is 5'7" while pac is 5'61/2" if pac can do ww why can't jmm who is taller and also they already have a history of fighting one another so basically styles makes fight.. fighting martinez at 154lbs has all the leverage for martinez since he will bloat up to 175 by fight time so do you agree with me that if ever they fight it should be held at 150 lbs since pac is the belt holder and it is fair on pac who comes at 148 by fighttime?

Manny is much bigger than Marquez.+++++++++++++++++this is not a fact coz jmm is taller than pac

Manny is a coward because he is too scared to fight in his own division, and he is too scared to fight Marquez unless he goes up two weight divisions.++++++++++++++++what division are you talking???last i heard is that they will stay at 147 so if jmm wants to fight pac then he should go up to pac's division.



I don't think that you are being very honest jack.++++++++++++++++++++ i guess i'm more honest than you coz some of your points are not based on facts like "pac is bigger than jmm","jmm didnt start at 126","pac,s division" etc!

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hey *****s... when is wifebeater gonna pick up his phone?

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my apology then. since you think i'm mistaken coz the title of the ts includes mayweather.. but then calling pac a coward is unfair..he fought his way from 106 to 150 lbs is not an easy route

Agreed. But that does not change, or even affect, any of those 6 points.

106 to 150 lbs is not an easy route and nobody does that except pac.

Agreed. During/after Marquez II, Manny was described as looking like he was suffering the effects of too many wars, and starting to fade. Listen to the commentators during the fight.

Then came Ariza, then came a stunning gain of 15lbs of muscle as Manny ripped through 3 divisions in less than 18 months Then came refusing Olympic Style Testing
I tell you what, let's change the whole subject there huh? Because if you notice, I only made a fleeting reference to OST's in my post, because it was a valid point. Let's forget about the whole OST issue, at least for now.

you may say pac got leverage on those fight but who does not?

An 8-division champ and the GOAT shouldn't have too
And the point is, it's every fkn fight dating back to well before Marquez II.

...remember that if it is hard to go down a mere 1 lbs (cotto last fight is 146 lbs) then how about pac bloating himself up? you should not also forget the fact that by fight time pac's bigger opponent hydrates up to 10 -20 lbs more ..isnt it a huge advantage already for pac's opponents by the time they fight?.....

You missed the point.

I do not care if the weight-drain affected Cotto. But you do not have the right, or the knowledge, to tell me that it did not affect him..... and I think that Manny would probably have won anyway.

You missed the point, because I said that it was a b1tch move for Manny to ATTEMPT to drain Cotto, because he had already fought at 147 so had no need for the catch-weight demand. The fact that the bullet may have missed, does not lessen the intent.

have since the newer threads regarding marquez pricing himself out again? like the 1st rematch when he turned down 750k just to fight for a measly 30k only to suffer defeat at the hands of chris john and why wont he challenged chris john again since john has 1 win over him and its easier to double the 30k fight fee?.. and for the next rematch jmm pricng himself out again and asked for ost and 50-50 share on ppv which is again unfair to pac..again jmm is taller and bigger than pac that is a fact so if pac can do why can't jmm!

You have missed the point again.

I do not care about what happened so many years ago, and if JMM priced himself out. My point was about the cowardly demand from Team Pacquiao that Manny will not fight Marquez unless they meet at 147.....
Arum: Pacquiao vs Marquez Will Be at 147 or No Fight.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=33333

Ariza and Roach both said before the Margarito fight that Manny was a JWW, and that he could easily make 140, but they are too scared to fight Marquez unless they have a two division weight advantage.

Manny is a coward because he is too scared to fight Marquez unless he will go up two weight divisions, and yet he will not even fight anybody in his own division and defend his title. What a b1tch move.

You have not addressed any of those 6 issues.

But I tell you what..... because I am reasonable, and because you did make one valid point, I will downgrade one of the charges levelled against Manny.

The offense of "cowardice" that I levelled against Manny for the Cotto incident, shall be downgraded to a "b1tch-move".

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1.) Manny Pacquiao is a coward for claiming to be an 8-division champion, and yet being too scared to EVER fight an actual JMW oppenent.

2.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Mayweather back in December, either that or he is a steroid cheat. He didn't want none of Mayweather or the tests, thats for sure.

3.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Sergio Martinez. If JMM can go up two divisions to WW, then surely Manny can defend his JMW title at 154. What a b1tch Manny.

4.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Shane Mosley - TWICE !!

5.) And Manny "padded" Pacquiao is also a dirty coward for refusing to fight Marquez unless the fight is held at 147.

6.) And it was a b1tch-move to attempt to weight drain Cotto. There are two reasons to demand a catch-weight, either you are not good enough to compete with that fighter at his natural weight, which is fine..... or you are attempting to drain him to gain an unfair advantage. Team Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147. What a b1tch-move that was.

Manny "padded" Pacquiao is a joke. Top Rank smoke and mirrors.

Team Pacquiao.....
Still piss-scared of Marquez, since 2004

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hey *****s!!! where is your hero wifebeater jr?! tell him top rank is trying to contact him, so he better pick up the phone!

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hey *****s!!! where is your hero wifebeater jr?! tell him top rank is trying to contact him, so he better pick up the phone!

Weak....

Martinez AT 154 says HI
Berto AT 147 says HELLO
JMM AT 140 says whats up
ALexander/Bradley AT 140 or 147 is standing by

Pac is only picking up the phone for the guy you wanted so badly to beat Mayweather...... No wonder your butt hurt. Irony is a bytch man... What comes around, goes around. Pac's true colors have been exposed. You know it or else you wouldnt be trying so hard with Mayweather hating comments.

A little news bro, Mayweather has nothing to do with it....... just admit it.

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A little news bro, Mayweather has nothing to do with it....... just admit it.

That's the point.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Mayweather.

How will attacking Mayweather get Pacquiao off these 6 charges ?

1.) Manny Pacquiao is a coward for claiming to be an 8-division champion, and yet being too scared to EVER fight an actual JMW opponent.

2.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Mayweather back in December, either that or he is a steroid cheat. He didn't want none of Mayweather or the tests, thats for sure.

3.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Sergio Martinez. If JMM can go up two divisions to WW, then surely Manny can defend his JMW title at 154. What a b1tch Manny.

4.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for demanding a catch-weight for Cotto. There are two reasons to demand a catch-weight, either you are not good enough to compete with that fighter at his natural weight, which is fine..... or you are attempting to drain him to gain an unfair advantage, which is cowardly. Team Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.

5.) Manny Pacquiao is also a coward for ducking Shane Mosley - TWICE !!

6.) And Manny "padded" Pacquiao is also a dirty coward for refusing to fight Marquez unless the fight is held at 147.

Manny "padded" Pacquiao is a joke. Top Rank smoke and mirrors.

Team Pacquiao.....
Still piss-scared of Marquez, since 2004