Give It A Rest, Paul Williams is NOT a "Slick" Fighter

[THe TRiNiTY]

Smoke Gainer was suppose to fight Pacquiao had Marquez not spoiled it. Not stating Gainer would have won, not stating Gainer would have lost, but he was there to fight. Junior Jones was floating around '22-'30 from '94. Mark Johnson had fought from 112-120 his whole career.

Anyway, you could have at least relayed that last part to Morales.

Jones and Johnson were past it. Slick, I will give you. But let's be honest. Do you honestly think that if those fights had made financial sense, Pacquiao would have avoided them? Once again, they fall into the not important category. Not to mention, they were past it and would have been no real challenge for Pacquiao. You also have to keep in mind that Jones had lost around three times around 2000, which is when Pacquiao bEGAN to rise. Gainer suffers from much of the same.

It'd be ridiculous to assume Pacquiao would face relatively low-draw slick fighters when he's on his way up after having big wins.

[deejd]

you guys said the same thing when Judah was like 27-0. he was a slick african american until he lost to Kotsza.. you guys think Manny cant fight slick fighters. if Baldomir can beat a "slick african american" i dont know why Pac cant. you guys act like slick african americans are the best in boxing. BREAKING NEWS!!! Asian dude who has the fastest combination with the best footwork is the best in the boxing world right now.

The staying point is that you, specifically, cannot attest to the fact that Pacquiao can beat a slick African-American fighter because he has yet to actually fight one. Saying "if Baldomir can, so can Pacquiao" doesn't count because if that's the case, any cab driver can beat Pacquiao, correct?

[*El Prieto*]

that's why there's no point in hyping up black american fighters. just get to the point...if you mean slick fighters then just say slick fighters. but then that style is not even exclusive to black americans so just drop the race bait because it makes no fucking sense.

I agree about the race thing. Though the style is still going to be referred to as an "African American Style" as it originated with them. As I pointed out earlier it is no longer exclusive to them, nor does it mean every one of them fight in that style as shown on the list as well.

[joelab75]

The staying point is that you, specifically, cannot attest to the fact that Pacquiao can beat a slick African-American fighter because he has yet to actually fight one. Saying "if Baldomir can, so can Pacquiao" doesn't count because if that's the case, any cab driver can beat Pacquiao, correct?

so ur point would be? Baldomir is greater than Pac, correct? because he was able to beat "slick african american" fighter, am i correct? so you're saying Manny CANT beat Zab?

Manny beat better than the"slick african american" boxer u were reffering. he beat the likes of Barrera, Morales, Marquez, Cotto, Hatton, CLottey etc etc. and will pretty soon give a beating to Mosley or Berto.

where was this "slick african american" boxers when Manny was fighting in 118, 122, 126, 130, 136, 140 and 147? my answer? NOWHERE! because its a BIG MYTH. if they were so "slick" they should be ranked in those weight divisions right?

[deejd]

Jones and Johnson were past it. Slick, I will give you. But let's be honest. Do you honestly think that if those fights had made financial sense, Pacquiao would have avoided them? Once again, they fall into the not important category. Not to mention, they were past it and would have been no real challenge for Pacquiao. You also have to keep in mind that Jones had lost around three times around 2000, which is when Pacquiao bEGAN to rise. Gainer suffers from much of the same.

It'd be ridiculous to assume Pacquiao would face relatively low-draw slick fighters when he's on his way up after having big wins.

I completely understand what you're stating, trinity. Though everything didn't make financial sense then... did Senrima, Ledwaba, Julio, or Rakkiatgym make financial sense? I also understand that, then, those guys were past their prime and winding up their careers, but it still remains that they were available to fight, but didn't and had Marquez lost to Gainer, who knows, Maybe Gainer wins against Pac, maybe he doesn't.

Superb post though, man. In hindsight, you say it's financial, I tend to match making, eerily similar business themes that occur in the sport.

[Biolink]

Who said pwill was a slick fighter besides his size ,his heart and work rate was the only thing that defines him.bhop was talking bout boxers hard to hit ,known for their defense an not a mexican style toe to toe .

Nobody was saying that Williams was slick, they were just saying that they wanted to see him fight Pac and that he would be a big challange. But now that he got his ass knocked out all the *****s are hiding behind" Williams was never a slickboxer" comment now that Williams is gonna be taken to the scrap heap.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=441131&highlight=paul+williams+slick

Meh, that was one of the one's I found, but people have been calling Paul a slick fighter in threads. I don't bother responding most of the time

[MindBat]

Paul has shown he can box as well as brawl. He just rolled the dice one too many times with the brawling. He felt confident enough to believe his chin would hold up after going through the first war with Martinez.

And who wouldn't? Especially when the fans and your handlers are convinced your chin's made of stone?

[deejd]

so ur point would be? Baldomir is greater than Pac, correct? because he was able to beat "slick african american" fighter, am i correct? so you're saying Manny CANT beat Zab?

Manny beat better than the"slick african american" boxer u were reffering. he beat the likes of Barrera, Morales, Marquez, Cotto, Hatton, CLottey etc etc. and will pretty soon give a beating to Mosley or Berto.

where was this "slick african american" boxers when Manny was fighting in 118, 122, 126, 130, 136, 140 and 147? my answer? NOWHERE! because its a BIG MYTH. if they were so "slick" they should be ranked in those weight divisions right?

You're stating that just because Baldomir, who happens to walk around at 190, who beat Zab Judah who weighed in the day of his last fight at 143 with his clothes on, means that Pacquiao can beat a slick African-American fighter. If that's what you're saying, than it can be argued that some nobody in the sport can beat Pacquiao. With that being said, I take it you've never heard of the saying "styles make fights"..?

Again, look up Gainer, Too Sharp, Jones, Raheem, these guys may not have been in their prime but they were great competition and former champs in those lighter division, and all happened to be "slick."

[iNDOLiFER]

its 2010, not just black boxers are slick and most of the slick black boxers gets KO early by the mexican brawler style boxers.

[brick wall]

black fans should get on with the times and let go of their fantasy ****s. if you can't accept that pac is a great fighter then that's your problem. you can hate all you want but it won't diminish whatever pac has accomplished. pac rocked your world...deal with it, just keep it real and stop bitching.