If Pac fights AND beats Martinez, he is #1 ATG

[dorruel2.0]

If he beats Floyd @ 147 then moves up and beats Sergio at 160 then yes, maybe.

no he still wouldnt have a better resume than ali leanard duran robinson to name a few.
Robinson had more ko 's then manny had fights, it wuld be a spit in his face to say mannys atg #1

[ny123]

Gran Vaca eats Cotto up like so much dead grass.


this thread need musik.

agreed, time to lighten up this depressing thread

I dont even know how to respond to these two posts.

[dj Ramos]

i know even you dont believe your own **** man. But im not one of those short tempered ricans you get a rush pissing off. I know as well as you do that miguel cotto rips chavez jr a new a$$hole.
your not fooling me at all.

Thats what you all say now, After Vaca destroys Cotto this is what all you haters will do.



I will laugh at Cotto taking knees before his daddy Vaca de Dinero and quitter infront of all the ricans once again.

[Gina Ros]

we will never know pare

[Bastian Loc]

I'm not sorry.

Express yourself, don't repress yourself.

[Khalid X]

Its like this

IF pac fought Martinez at 160 and beat him. Pac would become the Lineal Champion and the absolute best at 160 dating from Hopkins UNIFIED Title before yielding it to Taylor.

That would be Pac's 5th Lineal title if it happens

FLYWEIGHT( Sasakul )
FEATHERWEIGHT ( Barrera )
Jr LIGHTWEIGHT ( Marquez )
Jr. WELTERWEIGHT ( Hatton )
MIDDLEWEIGHT ()


With that said. PAC is too Small and has a great chance at losing if the fight is at 160.

Even in defeat, Manny still wins. Robinson is applauded for going after the much bigger Maxim, even though he came up short and same with Armstrong when he went for the MW strap against Garcia.

No one ever criticized them for not winning and actually were used to define how great they were as fighters. I see the same thing with Manny. If he wants to go down as a top 5 possibly top 3 ATG...it's risk like this that he has to take. I hope he does because it's obvious that he will easily beat guys like Marquez, Berto, Bradley and others.

[joelab75]

if Manny beat Martinez he would still be top 15 or 20 ATG. Martinez hasnt done anything to make PAC #1 ATG All time. Martinez hasnt even beaten any future hall of famer. winning against PW doesnt make Sergio an ATG.

[Canelo Phresh]

if pac fights sergio at a catch weight of 156 and really beats him f@ck yeah

[Bastian Loc]

if pac fights sergio at a catch weight of 156 and really beats him f@ck yeah

Word is born...

You can't steal that from FudgePacky.

[Real King Kong]

There was this dude called Sugar Ray.... :boobies:

funny how this was avoided.