My take on Pacquiao vs Mayweather

[fabie]

You put thought into it so I have no real issue with what you are saying.

I would just say Mayweather is very good inside, he know how to get inside the arcs of a guys true power shots then use his forearms to get room for a couple in close and even with his long arms he is great at shortening up his punches. I don't think Manny inside his optimum range is better than Floyd

I only brought up what I said because you posted a well thought out analysis, I really had no intention of bringinging this stuff up again until after the fight takes place but I felt compelled to offer my thoughts in an honest way because this thread is well thought out.

It is no big deal if you disagree or think differently.

VERY GOOD INSIDE. That's fair.

But to really go TOE TO TOE with Pacquiao is suicide, me thinks. I would see that Mayweather would rather stay outside having longer reach and being taller than Pacquiao.

Margarito didn't use or didn't know how to use his advantages over Pacquiao and wanted to go TOE TO TOE with him. We already know the results.

[fabie]

FLAWLESS is the key word here. Just like Pac's game on Margs. Pac made every damn split second to attempt a flawless fight. In every fight, a flawless fight is nearly impossible to witness. I believe that fight would have been shorter if the size difference is small.

Floyd this time around will be the Pac against a Margarito. He will desperately need a flawless game.

I hear ya, and that's a fair assessment. And again, this fight has to happen because we all put too much thoughts behind it. Analysis and hype.

[fabie]

I think most people have no idea how top level fighters think, you don't even get to that position without that belief in yourself.

No one has taken that from Floyd in the ring so why would he think differently, because media people talk and speculate? Please.

The fever is high for this fight and the pitch can't get any higher until they're both seen preparing for it.

It shouldn't be anything less than spectacular.

Nelly can go suck a lama's **** with his "Uh Oooooh". He will not be performing for this event if I can help it.

Get 50 in there.

I wouldn't mind seeing Lady Gaga.

Hellz no, this is a manly event it needs to be a manly concert. Nelly is soft as hell and should in no way be associated with boxing, 50 atleast represents an image of toughness.

What about if Gaga wears a sequined boxing robe and gloves to perform?

She could be in the crowd that is it or possibly ao the National anthem if you would be willing to trust her with that sort of thing

Gaga's shows are way 10x better than Nelly's all day every day. It would appeal to both men and women and kids who like watching boxing.

Justin Bieber could sing the National Anthem and that's it.

Justin Beiber should be barred from the Arena.

he can host the party with all the rich kids during the fight while their parents attend.

Nah, I want see him get hit with a frozen flying cucumber when he's done singing. That ought to start a riot before the fight.

All of these are way too funny.....hehehehe



I just wanted this fight to happen!

[The Gambler1981]

VERY GOOD INSIDE. That's fair.

But to really go TOE TO TOE with Pacquiao is suicide, me thinks. I would see that Mayweather would rather stay outside having longer reach and being taller than Pacquiao.

Margarito didn't use or didn't know how to use his advantages over Pacquiao and wanted to go TOE TO TOE with him. We already know the results.

I disagree and I think that is a general common boxing misconception.
With a power puncher you want to be all the way in or all the way out never in their range. Being in close works great if you can do it and Floyd has proven he can and will use that method.

That is part of what makes Floyd so difficult to beat is he can beat most guys from teh outside based on his skill but he can also beat guys in the inside so it makes him much more difficult to pin down.

[fabie]

I disagree and I think that is a general common boxing misconception.
With a power puncher you want to be all the way in or all the way out never in their range. Being in close works great if you can do it and Floyd has proven he can and will use that method.

That is part of what makes Floyd so difficult to beat is he can beat most guys from teh outside based on his skill but he can also beat guys in the inside so it makes him much more difficult to pin down.

Though I agree that it is a common misconception, it does apply here.

I would agree to a certain extent that Mayweather can dart in and out and while being in the INSIDE, he can play the game. But generally speaking, I can't see him playing the INSIDE GAME exclusively - unless he already got Pacquiao hurting and now going for the kill.

But otherwise, he will be his usual self to stay on the outside.

Against Mosley, I saw him stick to Mosley but Mosley is not a small man in any stature, and that nullified Mosley's attack. But with Pacquiao, I don't think that would work.

I can see a BUSTER-DOUGLAS-TYPE-BEATING-TYSON to upstage Pacquiao by being on the outside with the jab-cross. But Mayweather isn't generally that type of a fighter but he has to inorder to keep Pacquiao at bay.

I would also see him clinch often and bullying Pacquiao.

[The Gambler1981]

The danger for Floyd and any guys who likes to do inside and outside is don't get caught inbetween which guys like Paul WIlliams fail horribly at,. To me that is always when Floyd gets caught so Manny could take advantage of that.

It is not a forgone conclussion by any means but Manny has to overcome a lot of advantages Floyd has, but that is what the best of the best do.

[fabie]

The danger for Floyd and any guys who likes to do inside and outside is don't get caught inbetween which guys like Paul WIlliams fail horribly at,. To me that is always when Floyd gets caught so Manny could take advantage of that.

It is not a forgone conclussion by any means but Manny has to overcome a lot of advantages Floyd has, but that is what the best of the best do.

I respectfully disagree.

The fight against Marquez, Mayweather did the same thing as I put it. He stayed outside and with his elusiveness and footwork keeping himself relatively unscathed from Marquez's good counter punching.

He was doing his usual PULL COUNTER and DUCKING underneath Marquez's punches while moving laterally and behind Marquez. Had he stayed TOE TO TOE to Marquez then it would be ****** to.

Same thing with Pacquiao nowadays wherein Pacquiao has gained and really perfected his AARON-PRYOR-BUT-FASTER-PISTON-LIKE COMBINATIONS.

And so again, would you go inside that? It would be a mistake.

[razor.thin]

if it ever happened (only happens if floyd thinks he's too small or past his best), pacquiao will run after floyd and ko him in 2 rounds.

[The Gambler1981]

I respectfully disagree.

The fight against Marquez, Mayweather did the same thing as I put it. He stayed outside and with his elusiveness and footwork keeping himself relatively unscathed from Marquez's good counter punching.

He was doing his usual PULL COUNTER and DUCKING underneath Marquez's punches while moving laterally and behind Marquez. Had he stayed TOE TO TOE to Marquez then it would be ****** to.

Same thing with Pacquiao nowadays wherein Pacquiao has gained and really perfected his AARON-PRYOR-BUT-FASTER-PISTON-LIKE COMBINATIONS.

And so again, would you go inside that? It would be a mistake.

I don't think you want to rely on it but only because it is better to be versitile. Guys like Floyd who are spoilers rely on making other guys fall apart a big part of that is never letting them get into a comfort zone never knowing what will come next.

Plus one of the best ways to get in someones head is to do thigns they don't expect, if they think FLoyd is going to run all night it is much better to try a different route even if jsut to throw them off.

[fabie]

I don't think you want to rely on it but only because it is better to be versitile. Guys like Floyd who are spoilers rely on making other guys fall apart a big part of that is never letting them get into a comfort zone never knowing what will come next.

I have never questioned that. If you have read my initial posting on the first page...

Floyd is an exceptional and superlative "boxer" while Pacquiao is a superlative "fighter".

That is why this has to happen.