Pacquiao is past his prime......

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the thing is tho Pacquiao is a better fighter right now then he was in 07 so I don't see how is he past prime.

That's true...he's got better technically and his boxing IQ has grown...I haven't watched him close enough to notice if his reflexes/physical/etc have diminished...if they have...

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wifebeater is a coward and would wait for pac to be in more wars until he would even dare to get in the ring with pac.

as of now, pac outworks wifebeater and drops him early. wifebeater rallies to make it to the 12, but loses by decision.

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the thing is tho Pacquiao is a better fighter right now then he was in 07 so I don't see how is he past prime.

see i don't know. it's all opinion anyway.

i know everyone is big on this "pacquiao is much better now than when he fought marquez in 2008"

is he?

he already developed into a 2 handed fighter then. marquez is just a bad matchup. just because marquez gave him a tougher fight and after that opponents didn't doesn't automatically mean pacquiao is better.

could it be that when a fighter is gifted enough and fast enough , it's actually a big advantage to be in the higher weight classes with bigger (but slower) opponents.

again , i'll use mayweather as an example.

to me mayweather got hit more when he was at 130/135 than he did at 147/154.

mayweather/pac were already so much faster than their opponents in the lower weight classes. move up against even slower fighters and these bigger cats just don't know how to deal with it.

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That's true...he's got better technically and his boxing IQ has grown...I haven't watched him close enough to notice if his reflexes/physical/etc have diminished...if they have...

his conditioning seems better right now you don't see him tire or slow down in the later rounds for a brawler that the 1st thing you lose when your past prime and pacquiao doesn't rely on reflexes so I wouldn't know if it is diminished or not.


Manny Pacquiao is at his absolute best right now there is no denying that

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Looks like another troll thread to rile up the Pac fans.

you guessed it.

i hate these pac fans.

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his conditioning seems better right now you don't see him tire or slow down in the later rounds for a brawler that the 1st thing you lose when your past prime and pacquiao doesn't rely on reflexes so I wouldn't know if it is diminished or not.


Manny Pacquiao is at his absolute best right now there is no denying that

pac had great stamina in the lower weight classes.

he just lands on these bigger guys more and throws more against them because they're slower.

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see i don't know. it's all opinion anyway.

i know everyone is big on this "pacquiao is much better now than when he fought marquez in 2008"

is he?

he already developed into a 2 handed fighter then. marquez is just a bad matchup. just because marquez gave him a tougher fight and after that opponents didn't doesn't automatically mean pacquiao is better.

could it be that when a fighter is gifted enough and fast enough , it's actually a big advantage to be in the higher weight classes with bigger (but slower) opponents.

again , i'll use mayweather as an example.

to me mayweather got hit more when he was at 130/135 than he did at 147/154.

mayweather/pac were already so much faster than their opponents in the lower weight classes. move up against even slower fighters and these bigger cats just don't know how to deal with it.

makes sense so what you think pacquiao lost right now compared to back then is he slower now? did he lose power or stamina ?

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makes sense so what you think pacquiao lost right now compared to back then is he slower now? did he lose power or stamina ?

his power is definitely more.

he's a tad slower i think.

stamina is hard to judge though. you have to go with just what you see. can't really depend on punchstats because every fight/opponent is different.

a guy like clottey who doesn't punch back , you can pad the punch stats.

a guy like marquez that makes pac eat a right everytime he punches......changes things up.

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......all downhill from here.

Floyd should wait for 1 more fight.

Pacquiao will be ready to go by late next year.

I don't know what to think about this statement, but I will say this Pac really needs to decide if his hearts still truly in the fight game; or being a public servant to his people... What I seen tonight was Pacquiao that was fighting at maybe 80 percent of his capabilities... Watching him on 24-7 train, and seeing all the distractions, and seeing him bounce from boxing to politics, showed me that this man has got to much on his plate, and he needs to figure what he wants to devote most his time to...boxing...or politics? Downhill, I don't know that I would go that far just yet to say something like that; as I think he just has to much on his plate right now to devote 100% of his time to boxing. I for one think he should go after Floyd real hard for his next fight, and really give 110% himself to his training and preporation, and focus, and really train like the Pacquiao of old; and then will see if he's slipping. All that being said (IMO), I also think Mayweather should be his last fight, and then retire.

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"Break Pacquiao down to the body"

what an ignorant post.....Floyd could not even KO a "LIGHTWEIGHT" in JMM and you "think" Floyd would apply pressure and break Pac?

honestly, why dont you just go back to playing Xbox or playstation

I always said Pacquiao would beat Floyd (Going by what I've seen) but now, I really think Mayweather would stop him. I think Mayweather will apply too much pressure and break Pacquiao down to the body.