7 Reasons Margarito Will Stop Pacquiao

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  • sigrab jr
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    #81
    Originally posted by JonoYoungP4P
    Very good points.
    Agree with you about the forbes-dlh fight. also about tony, we dont know what kind of shape he will be in, strength and physical condition wise. I hope to see a great fight, cant wait
    I think I was wrong about DLH fighting Forbes just months after fighting Mayweather, I think it was a year after'.

    But still, point is being in the 30s going down in weight doesn't work with everyone. Some of the best boxers have been victim to this.

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    • freedom213
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      #82
      The biggest problem I see Tony is making is stating outloud that he is unconcerned about Pacs power, he sees him as a very fast pesky guy and as he stated in 24/7 no way he can see a way that Pac can hurt him let alone stop him. That's a big fuc k ing mistake, ask Hatton, Cotto, DLH, Etc. Manny is a strong little guy and it seems like all his opponents continue to make the same mistake by underestimating his strength and power. Garcia keeps saying it, Margarito keeps saying it, not smart, especially when the last two real opponents you faced collectively hit you with what like 600 power punches?

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      • Ragnar Lothbrok
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        #83
        Originally posted by QUELOQUE
        After analyzing a few of Margarito's (specifically Williams, Santos, and Martinez) and Pacquiao's fights, I have come to the conclusion that Margarito has a great shot at stopping Pacquiao.

        1 - Margarito has underrated timing/counterpunching against southpaws, he has this hard counter right uppercut/hook to the body that he lands a lot on southpaws. I don't see Pacquiao getting away from it consistently either.

        2 - Margarito has underrated defense against southpaws, he caught/blocked/dodged most of Williams jabs and straight lefts.

        3 - Margarito finds a way to consistently get to them offensively, he starts landing that right to the body after that he starts coming with his left hook to the body, straight right up top, etc.

        4 - Pacquiao's defense is based almost entirely on his legs, as soon as Margarito is able to consistently close the distance, his legs won't be able to get him out of trouble consistently. Pacquiao has almost no inside game, so all he does is cover up and shoot his counter right hook.

        5 - Margarito won't respect Pacquiao's power, he has a great chin to do this, but even when he does get hurt or stunned, he'll still keep coming forward. He got hurt against Santos (who had a 10 pound advantage 160 to 170) and he still came forward.

        6 - The pressure he puts on is incredible. Even Paul Williams throwing 1200+ punches had to consistently hold to a point where he was warned in the 7th and kept holding in spots. Paul Williams was taller (easier for taller fighters to hold an opponent) and had good strength to keep Margarito in the clinch, 2 things I feel Pacquiao won't be able to do. When Margarito gets to his body and starts piling it on, he won't be able to stop it, unless he runs.

        7 - Pacquiao's aggressiveness will play against him. He will expend energy exploding in, letting his combinations go, and getting out. Only to have Margarito's counter right to the body land in the exchange, if Margarito misses, he'll just come right back and let his shots go.

        To me, the most important question that has to be answered in the fight is:

        Can Pacquiao take Margarito's body shots and pressure without getting worn down?

        Believe it or not, the man you probably feel is too slow to land, will land, and Manny's resistance will have to answer that question.

        I had Pacquiao by UD and I thought it would be easy, but it's changed (not because of any rumor or hype either) to Margarito KO10.

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        • fdotorres
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          #84
          Originally posted by Low_ki
          pac dont have the strength of shane if he did mamrito would be getting K.O again.
          say that to cotto

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            #85
            Originally posted by Haglerwins
            I don't hold bias against either in this bout, but this black dude can clearly see Margarito has a bunch of plusses on his side. He's even tiring out his speed guys in sparring. I don't think a win is that much of a stretch when he's doing all the things he can to offset Manny's legs. He even looks a little quicker than usual himself. Ricky Hatton had 0 trouble backing Pac up and his chin and durability was gone at that point. Tone's a real monster with that pressure.

            And without clinching, I'm real curious to see if a new blueprint to beat this guy can be made Saturday. This is not zombie DLH Manny's fighting.
            I agree with you 100%. I keep seeing the Mosley fight mentioned as a reason Pac will win but Pac doesnt fight like that. Shane landed some monster body shots and his hit, hold, hold, hit style never let Cheato get going. If Cheato still has something left in the tank I see a repeat of the Cotto fight. Just like in the Cotto fight the size difference is going to be too much even for Pac.

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              #86
              Originally posted by fdotorres
              say that to cotto
              You've been here for a while. Strength and punching power are not the same thing. Mosley was a powerlifter for a while no? Which means, if you've ever been a lifter, wrestler etc. that when tied up you exert some serious pressure and tax the other person with your physical strength. The power of your shots has nothing to do with this... While Pac has alot of effective power with his shots, it does not necessarily mean he can exert that taxing pressure when tied up (if he can on Margarito)....

              I mean, come on now...

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              • Jerub_Baal
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                #87
                i also believe margarito has a much better chance of winning than what the oddsmakers and other people are saying. i give pac a slight edge in winning, but it coulde go eithr way in my eyes. pac shouldnt have taken this fight (at least not at 150 lbs), it might jeopardize the mayweather fight.

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                  #88
                  Personally I think if Pacquiao doesn't stop him in 5 rounds or less he's gonna have huge problems. Mosley and Williams always clinched Margarito everytime he got a pace going. Pacquiao doesn't clinch.

                  IMO, he's gonna have alot of problems in this fight. However if he sticks to angles and uses his speed properly I can see Pacquiao winning this fight. He needs to focus on the body to slow down Margarito.

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                  • JBell11
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                    #89
                    Originally posted by QUELOQUE
                    After analyzing a few of Margarito's (specifically Williams, Santos, and Martinez) and Pacquiao's fights, I have come to the conclusion that Margarito has a great shot at stopping Pacquiao.

                    1 - Margarito has underrated timing/counterpunching against southpaws, he has this hard counter right uppercut/hook to the body that he lands a lot on southpaws. I don't see Pacquiao getting away from it consistently either.

                    2 - Margarito has underrated defense against southpaws, he caught/blocked/dodged most of Williams jabs and straight lefts.

                    3 - Margarito finds a way to consistently get to them offensively, he starts landing that right to the body after that he starts coming with his left hook to the body, straight right up top, etc.

                    4 - Pacquiao's defense is based almost entirely on his legs, as soon as Margarito is able to consistently close the distance, his legs won't be able to get him out of trouble consistently. Pacquiao has almost no inside game, so all he does is cover up and shoot his counter right hook.

                    5 - Margarito won't respect Pacquiao's power, he has a great chin to do this, but even when he does get hurt or stunned, he'll still keep coming forward. He got hurt against Santos (who had a 10 pound advantage 160 to 170) and he still came forward.

                    6 - The pressure he puts on is incredible. Even Paul Williams throwing 1200+ punches had to consistently hold to a point where he was warned in the 7th and kept holding in spots. Paul Williams was taller (easier for taller fighters to hold an opponent) and had good strength to keep Margarito in the clinch, 2 things I feel Pacquiao won't be able to do. When Margarito gets to his body and starts piling it on, he won't be able to stop it, unless he runs.

                    7 - Pacquiao's aggressiveness will play against him. He will expend energy exploding in, letting his combinations go, and getting out. Only to have Margarito's counter right to the body land in the exchange, if Margarito misses, he'll just come right back and let his shots go.

                    To me, the most important question that has to be answered in the fight is:

                    Can Pacquiao take Margarito's body shots and pressure without getting worn down?

                    Believe it or not, the man you probably feel is too slow to land, will land, and Manny's resistance will have to answer that question.

                    I had Pacquiao by UD and I thought it would be easy, but it's changed (not because of any rumor or hype either) to Margarito KO10.
                    Great Analysis, I can see this happening; either way it will be agreat fight while it lasts!

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                    • El_Forklift
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                      #90
                      Originally posted by STREET CLEANER
                      Margo is not going to be able to have a hight output of punches as he usually does. He is not running Pac over
                      Pac is coming to light for this fight and supports your theory...... but I dont believe that pac is going to run the whole fight its not in his nature I believe......

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