Comments Thread For: Haye: Drop The Slave Contract and I'll Fight a Klitschko

[Pirao]

Why is Haye holding onto Chagaev's or is it Holyfields belt?

It's Wlad's belt actually.

[Dave Rado]

the article that this thread is about isn't old, he recently said this so my question is if he's lying why wouldn't Wladimir come out himself and say "no I didn't say you have to sign to 2 rematches that could be against either me or my brother"? he should come out and dead David Haye's lies if that's the case and he hasn't done that.

Wlad's promoter, Boente, did deny it in today's article - you should read it more carefully. And Wlad has denied it on many occasions.

[maverock]

Haye is getting more and more delusional. He should simply retire after knocking out Audley. Boxing doesn't need this buffoon.

[Dave Rado]

But you can't make out Haye's alone in being the side of the country with a bigger PPV market wanting a bigger slice of that.

It's not that the UK has a bigger PPV market. It's that in the UK, there is PPV, and in Germany, there isn't. As a result, boxing has become a niche sport in the UK (as it has in the US), whereas it is still a mainstream sport in Germany. The Klitschkos' fights are regularly watched by over 20 million fans in Germany, and they have had live gates in excess of 50,000. By contrast, Haye's fights are usually watched by less than a million TV viewers, with less than 20,000 watching live. In numerical terms, the Klitschkos are far bigger draws than Haye will ever be.

Anyone who loves boxing should applaud the Klitschkos for sticking with terrestrial TV, and keeping boxing mainstream in Germany, rather than cashing out and harming boxing by going for PPV in Germany.

When I first watched boxing in the UK, big fights used to regularly be watched by over 15 million people, and now it's less than a million, and that's because of satellite TV and PPV. If Haye were to ditch his Sky contract and have his fights shown on terrestrial television, so that a mass audience could watch them and so that the sport could become mainstream again, every boxing fan would applaud him. And every genuine boxing fan should applaud Wlad for sticking with terrestrial TV, even at the expense of some revenue.

But the UK PPV revenue for a Haye-Klitschko fight would be far higher than for any other Haye fight, and probably more than double the revenue that any other Haye fight could generate. So for Haye to claim that Wlad shouldn't get any of the UK PPV money that he had helped to generate is ridiculous.

Haye vs. a no name fighter would generate 500k UK PPV max. Haye vs. someone like Adamek would probably generate around 700k UK PPV. Haye vs. Harrison will probably generate around 1 million UK PPV. Haye vs. a Klitschko would probably generate over 2 million UK PPV. So at least half of the PPV revenue will almost certainly be generated by the fact he's fighting a Klitschko. For him to claim that they shouldn't get any of that is so ridiculous that it is clearly simply an excuse to get out of having to fight them yet.

Can you imagine the reaction if Floyd insisted on getting 100% of the US PPV to fight Pacquiao, with Pac just getting the Filipino money and half of the rest of the non-US TV money, and half of the gate money and sponsorship money? That's roughly equivalent to what Haye is asking for.

What's sick is that the media aren't calling him on it.

[£-4-£]

i agree that fighting the Klits 3 times is unfair, but a 50-50 split of all the money is fair. both parties are wrong. Haye should compromise and agree the 50-50 split, and the Klits should drop the 3-match clause - one rematch is fair though, especially if he fights Wlad because if an undisputed/lineal champ loses his title he should deserve a chance to win it back.

[Dave Rado]

i agree that fighting the Klits 3 times is unfair, but a 50-50 split of all the money is fair. both parties are wrong. Haye should compromise and agree the 50-50 split, and the Klits should drop the 3-match clause - one rematch is fair though, especially if he fights Wlad because if an undisputed/lineal champ loses his title he should deserve a chance to win it back.

Aaargh!!! The rematch clause was dropped nearly a year ago! As has been pointed out in at least 10 posts in this thread!!!!! And it was also pointed out in the article itself, by Boente. Not just the 3 match rematch clause - there is no rematch clause at all any more.

[Kulle]

If that contract is a slave offer, sign me up! I'll gladly be a slave and get my ass kicked by Klitschkos for that kind of money.

[Pirao]

Aaargh!!! The rematch clause was dropped nearly a year ago! As has been pointed out in at least 10 posts in this thread!!!!! And it was also pointed out in the article itself, by Boente. Not just the 3 match rematch clause - there is no rematch clause at all any more.

You are very patient , I gave up trying to explain this to idiots a long time ago, if they believe what Haye says they deserve to be fooled.

[Wesker115]

I'm sorry but how does everyone know what clauses were offered and the terms of the contract.....oh wait, they don't.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

It's not that the UK has a bigger PPV market. It's that in the UK, there is PPV, and in Germany, there isn't. As a result, boxing has become a niche sport in the UK (as it has in the US), whereas it is still a mainstream sport in Germany. The Klitschkos' fights are regularly watched by over 20 million fans in Germany, and they have had live gates in excess of 50,000. By contrast, Haye's fights are usually watched by less than a million TV viewers, with less than 20,000 watching live. In numerical terms, the Klitschkos are far bigger draws than Haye will ever be.

Anyone who loves boxing should applaud the Klitschkos for sticking with terrestrial TV, and keeping boxing mainstream in Germany, rather than cashing out and harming boxing by going for PPV in Germany.

When I first watched boxing in the UK, big fights used to regularly be watched by over 15 million people, and now it's less than a million, and that's because of satellite TV and PPV. If Haye were to ditch his Sky contract and have his fights shown on terrestrial television, so that a mass audience could watch them and so that the sport could become mainstream again, every boxing fan would applaud him. And every genuine boxing fan should applaud Wlad for sticking with terrestrial TV, even at the expense of some revenue.

But the UK PPV revenue for a Haye-Klitschko fight would be far higher than for any other Haye fight, and probably more than double the revenue that any other Haye fight could generate. So for Haye to claim that Wlad shouldn't get any of the UK PPV money that he had helped to generate is ridiculous.

Haye vs. a no name fighter would generate 500k UK PPV max. Haye vs. someone like Adamek would probably generate around 700k UK PPV. Haye vs. Harrison will probably generate around 1 million UK PPV. Haye vs. a Klitschko would probably generate over 2 million UK PPV. So at least half of the PPV revenue will almost certainly be generated by the fact he's fighting a Klitschko. For him to claim that they shouldn't get any of that is so ridiculous that it is clearly simply an excuse to get out of having to fight them yet.

Can you imagine the reaction if Floyd insisted on getting 100% of the US PPV to fight Pacquiao, with Pac just getting the Filipino money and half of the rest of the non-US TV money, and half of the gate money and sponsorship money? That's roughly equivalent to what Haye is asking for.

What's sick is that the media aren't calling him on it.

Great post. Would've greened you if i had any left