Believe it or not, my respect has dwindled a little for Rafa Marquez.

[Iceta Lives]

I know he was smaller and past his prime and had to deal with a dirty fighter, but it's still the idea that he did quit in this fight. And the reason that I'm complaining about it is because he did something that JMM would never do. I honestly don't think JMM would ever quit in a fight, but you never know. I however can't for the life of me figure out how he would after what Pacquiao did to him in the first round of that one fight with blood coming out of his nose and he showed that he could beat a bigger fighter in Juan Diaz even though he wasn't outgunned in the power dept in that fight like Rafa was against Lopez. That's the point I'm making with this thread.

And up until tonight, I actually respected Rafael more than JMM because I thought he had a better resume until tonight and he did. This was his chance to show he deserved to go down as a greater fighter than JMM and punch his HOF ticket and he fell short not by losing, but going out the way he did. He still deserves consideration for the HOF, but he would've been a shoe in if he won this fight tonight.

JMM>Rafa

That's all.

[LoStranger]

Rafa= Good
Juan= GOD

[Iceta Lives]

I mean, just think about it. I've seen fighters take a way worse beating than Marquez did and keep going. I'm not saying he's heartless because I know the wars he's been through and maybe he really did have a shoulder problem like Vitali supposedly had. But JMM was way more out of the Floyd fight and still finished it with dignity. It does make me question Rafael a little bit.

[MindBat]

Aside from being past it, he didn't have the best defense. Getting hit like that for so long catches up to you no matter what you try to tell yourself.

He was simply a proven warrior who showed heart against a younger up and coming fighter. Just didn't have enough in the tank to pull it off. To his credit he didn't fold early in the fight as many had predicted.

He'll be remembered as one of the great Mexican warriors.

[Iceta Lives]

I hate making a thread like this because in reality I like Rafa a lot. But he did take the easy way out and I don't think JMM would ever do that after what he has shown us what he did against Pac. That's all I'm saying. And Marquez used the shoulder injury as an excuse for not winning the fight instead of giving Lopez credit even if he doesn't deserve that much of it for beating up an old, smaller fighter. At least he asked for a rematch though. And that's a G thing to do. Lopez is a bitch if he takes it though.

[Canelo Phresh]

i liked the fight

[dorruel2.0]

I know he was smaller and past his prime and had to deal with a dirty fighter, but it's still the idea that he did quit in this fight. And the reason that I'm complaining about it is because he did something that JMM would never do. I honestly don't think JMM would ever quit in a fight, but you never know. I however can't for the life of me figure out how he would after what Pacquiao did to him in the first round of that one fight with blood coming out of his nose and he showed that he could beat a bigger fighter in Juan Diaz even though he wasn't outgunned in the power dept in that fight like Rafa was against Lopez. That's the point I'm making with this thread.

And up until tonight, I actually respected Rafael more than JMM because I thought he had a better resume until tonight and he did. This was his chance to show he deserved to go down as a greater fighter than JMM and punch his HOF ticket and he fell short not by losing, but going out the way he did. He still deserves consideration for the HOF, but he would've been a shoe in if he won this fight tonight.

JMM>Rafa

That's all.

you gotta be kidding me. After those three wars with vasquez, he can quit three times in a row, i would not lose respect for that man. Its obvious hes past his best, and had an injury. Why risk his health in the twilight of his career. Both Marquez are sure HOFers so enuff of the bs.
Rafa Marquez legend
JMM legend

[Iceta Lives]

you gotta be kidding me. After those three wars with vasquez, he can quit three times in a row, i would not lose respect for that man. Its obvious hes past his best, and had an injury. Why risk his health in the twilight of his career. Both Marquez are sure HOFers so enuff of the bs.
Rafa Marquez legend
JMM legend

I like both brothers, but the point I'm making with this thread is that if Rafa would've won last night, he would've passed up his brother in greatness. I think Rafa deserves to be in the hall too because of what he did at 118 and beating Vasquez in a new weight division in his first fight at that weight. No argument from me there. But JMM is a shoe in.

And in a way, I don't know why I'm making a thread like this because as far as quality of comp goes, Rafa has been a way bigger risk taker than JMM has. So I still gotta give credit where credit is due and Rafa is still my guy.

[xcaret v3]

the wars caught up to him man, look at morales vs the two pacquiao fights, and the age......its nothing to play with..

[jrosales13]

I like both brothers, but the point I'm making with this thread is that if Rafa would've won last night, he would've passed up his brother in greatness. I think Rafa deserves to be in the hall too because of what he did at 118 and beating Vasquez in a new weight division in his first fight at that weight. No argument from me there. But JMM is a shoe in.

And in a way, I don't know why I'm making a thread like this because as far as quality of comp goes, Rafa has been a way bigger risk taker than JMM has. So I still gotta give credit where credit is due and Rafa is still my guy.

But, he wasn't going to win though, after the round 4 his opportunity was gone. He was landing on Juanma with pin point accuracy but Juanma was taking them at the end. Wasn't getting fazed by it. Rafa was going to keep on taking a beating so there was no way he could of pulled it off.