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  • Caqui
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    After watching Pac-Cotto and Marg-Cotto

    I don't know that Margarito has the speed needed to beat Manny, Manny's just so damn aggressive
  • starkiller
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    #2
    Originally posted by Caqui
    I don't know that Margarito has the speed needed to beat Manny, Manny's just so damn aggressive
    Margaresto is going to get brutally KO'd.

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    • ADP02
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      #3
      Originally posted by Caqui
      I don't know that Margarito has the speed needed to beat Manny, Manny's just so damn aggressive
      He didn't beat Cotto with speed, so I doubt if he wins it would be because of his speed.

      Margo looked big against Cotto and will be even bigger against Manny.

      His size, chin, workrate are Margo's advantages. Also look out for the body punches and upper-cuts.

      Manny has good movement, speed, workrate and good power. He will need to use his assets well. I wonder if he added (practiced) on holding Margo as that was one of Cotto's problems.

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      • Phenom
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        #4
        Originally posted by ADP02
        He didn't beat Cotto with speed, so I doubt if he wins it would be because of his speed.

        Margo looked big against Cotto and will be even bigger against Manny.

        His size, chin, workrate are Margo's advantages. Also look out for the body punches and upper-cuts.

        Manny has good movement, speed, workrate and good power. He will need to use his assets well. I wonder if he added (practiced) on holding Margo as that was one of Cotto's problems.

        he didn't beat Cotto because of his size or body punches either

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        • starkiller
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          #5
          Originally posted by Caqui
          I don't know that Margarito has the speed needed to beat Manny, Manny's just so damn aggressive
          Originally posted by ADP02
          He didn't beat Cotto with speed, so I doubt if he wins it would be because of his speed.

          Margo looked big against Cotto and will be even bigger against Manny.

          His size, chin, workrate are Margo's advantages. Also look out for the body punches and upper-cuts.

          Manny has good movement, speed, workrate and good power. He will need to use his assets well. I wonder if he added (practiced) on holding Margo as that was one of Cotto's problems.
          I don't think Manny will have to hold, I think Manny's stamina is sick and that his angles will make Margaresto tire out quick.

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          • ThePrince
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            #6
            Originally posted by ADP02
            He didn't beat Cotto with speed, so I doubt if he wins it would be because of his speed.

            Margo looked big against Cotto and will be even bigger against Manny.

            His size, chin, workrate are Margo's advantages. Also look out for the body punches and upper-cuts.

            Manny has good movement, speed, workrate and good power. He will need to use his assets well. I wonder if he added (practiced) on holding Margo as that was one of Cotto's problems.
            Cotto's problem was he ran out of gas and he was possibly being hit with cement. He was easily outboxing Margarito for the majority of the fight. Pacquiao's speed and movement will make this fight look like his DLH fight and he won't get tired. And if adding a few lbs of muscle makes his punching power even more devastating, Tony stands a good chance of getting Hatton'd.

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            • ADP02
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              #7
              Originally posted by Phenom
              he didn't beat Cotto because of his size or body punches either
              Size was one of several factors.

              He doesn't use his size like some boxers do in that they fight from the outside.

              Cotto had to punch up. That can be exhausting. Cotto was exhausted. Margo, with his size advantage tried to smother Cotto and keep him fighting from the ropes. Cotto couldn't bully Margo as Margo was the bigger guy in that ring. Margo just walked him down.

              The commentators mentioned size as well and that Margo is so much bigger than Cotto. So it will also be a factor against Manny.

              There were some key rounds where Margo hit Cotto with several body shots that seemed to slow Cotto down and soften him up. This too was mentioned by the commentators.

              BUT the most important elements were Margo's constant pressure and work-rate. It felt like Margo was on top of Cotto throughout the fight. Even when Cotto threw combinations (he did often), Margo kept coming. It was like the 7th round and the commentators had said that Margo threw more punches than any other fighter against Cotto

              Margo's having a good chin helped as well.

              Cotto had the obvious speed advantage but Margo was happy to hit Cotto after Cotto threw his combinations.


              Still, those things that I mentioned were what Margo would need to utilize to be successful against Manny.

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              • ADP02
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                #8
                Originally posted by starkiller
                I don't think Manny will have to hold, I think Manny's stamina is sick and that his angles will make Margaresto tire out quick.
                Margo has shown to have good stamina and doesn't tire as easy as you make it sound. Margo is usually a slow starter that finishes strong

                Manny may not have to hold but then that means that he was able to keep Margo off balance some other way. That is one of the keys. That is to keep margo off balance and ruin his rhythm of coming at you. Mosley did it by punching, staying at a safe distance or when he felt vulnerable, holding Margo. Cotto doesn't have Manny's good movement so he should of held more often.

                Still, Manny may need to hold occasionally to break that rhythm and high workrate of Margo.

                Let's see what Manny's Plan A, B and C are .....

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                • gibo
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                  #9
                  Margacheato can't punch without his plaster! SSM proved it by KTFO of him without losing a single round, as the referee had to SAVE CHEATO!! And his fight in mesico against ???? proved it even more so!!!

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                  • ADP02
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ThePrince
                    Cotto's problem was he ran out of gas and he was possibly being hit with cement. He was easily outboxing Margarito for the majority of the fight. Pacquiao's speed and movement will make this fight look like his DLH fight and he won't get tired. And if adding a few lbs of muscle makes his punching power even more devastating, Tony stands a good chance of getting Hatton'd.
                    Cotto's problem was that he wasn't able to keep Margo off balance. Therefore, Cotto exerted more energy than was required. Also, Cotto would put himself along the ropes and that is bad news.

                    Notice that Cotto didn't seem to take Margo's punches well. I agree that it could have been due to them Bricks.

                    Remember that Margo will be bigger than he was against Cotto. While Manny can't go up too much in weight. A clear size advantage for Margo.

                    I'm just hoping for a good fight.

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