Comments Thread For: HBO Pres Unsure Why Mayweather Turned Pacquiao Down

[dan-b]

@LeadUppercut. How can I debate with mindreaders? You obviously know the minds of Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao - so why not empart more of your intrinsic knowledge?

I've no interest poring through every obscure article you manipulate for your agenda. The fact is, none of us nobodies know anything about what really went on, with that only exacerbated by Floyd's silence. The topic is boring and all this has done has sullied this once great idea of a fight.

Don't get me wrong, if by some miracle it does finally go ahead next year, I will be excited. But it's lost some of its shine through all this bitter nonsense.

[daggum]

can people stop saying mayweather wanted to fight cotto. it's only the exact opposite of the truth. some of you can't even decipher what you read. mayweather would have taken the 8 million to fight margarito but he made a bunch of crazy demands he knew wouldn't be met. remember his career high payday at that point was 5 million against judah and now he's demanding 10 million to fight cotto(still was at 140) who's not even in his division. talk about pricing yourself out. if that's not ducking i don't know what is. if you need further proof when cotto moved up to 147, became a huge star and would have made floyd much much more than 10 million he refused to fight him and fake retired.

[GRUSTLER]

grustler is a full blown floids virus patient that tries to pass himself off as some neutral "real" "knowledgeable" boxing fan.

Ha ha ha! That's funny! How long it took you to think
of that one? You called me "real"&"Knowledgable"
It must hold truth to you. I'm just bringing forth what was
actually written and documented. Not catching a hussy fit,
posting and talking a whole lotta nada because no one is
cosigning $#!t that never happened. Call me what you
want, but at the end of the day, I'm a keep telling it like it is
and not what HERBS like yourself emotionally feel inside.
Just as a parting gift. Here's another FACTUAL quote
that actually did happen.......

With the win (Henry Bruseles), Mayweather sets up a proposed June bout with WBC champion Arturo Gatti, assuming Gatti gets past James Leija next weekend. Mayweather, however, seems to be looking to bigger and better things.

"I'm told that [Shane] Mosley and [Oscar] De La Hoya are going to 147," Mayweather said. "I plan to join them there."

[The Nature Boy]

can people stop saying mayweather wanted to fight cotto. it's only the exact opposite of the truth. some of you can't even decipher what you read. mayweather would have taken the 8 million to fight margarito but he made a bunch of crazy demands he knew wouldn't be met. remember his career high payday at that point was 5 million against judah and now he's demanding 10 million to fight cotto(still was at 140) who's not even in his division. talk about pricing yourself out. if that's not ducking i don't know what is. if you need further proof when cotto moved up to 147, became a huge star and would have made floyd much much more than 10 million he refused to fight him and fake retired.

Your not making sense. Arum wanted Floyd to sign a multi fight contract which included the Margarito fight for 8 million. Assuming Floyd signed and beat Margarito, he simply wanted higher guarantees on Cotto, Hatton and Hoya. Mayweather made $11 million plus back-end pay-per-view percentages with Hatton, and $25 million versus Hoya. He was right on target, and Cotto's domestic fan base was greater than Hatton and Margarito at that time. Arum just refused to do business.

[LeadUppercut]

How can I debate with mindreaders? You obviously know the minds of Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao - so why not empart more of your intrinsic knowledge?

I've no interest poring through every obscure article you manipulate for your agenda. The fact is, none of us nobodies know anything about what really went on, with that only exacerbated by Floyd's silence. The topic is boring and all this has done has sullied this once great idea of a fight.

Then explain this.....

And, btw..... CLICK THE LINK..... that way you won't have to worry about me " manipulating you " ..... you will be able to read it for yourself.

And, btw, again..... they are BOB ARUM'S COMMENTS, not mine.

This is straight from the horses mouth, and I can find you at least a half dozen more links - just from boxingscene.com - as well as dozens of links from other sites, quoting Bob Arum. It went on for 4-5 weeks.

Nobody denies that Arum publicly stated on numerous occasions that he personally negotiated a deal with GBP, who forwarded it to Mayweather for approval. Then he placed a two week " deadline " on the table, even going to the trouble of putting a count-down timer on the Top Rank website.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29293

Then, after Bob Arum's conference call, Schaefer immediately released a statement which forced Arum to admit that both him and Ross Greenburg had NEVER spoken with anyone from GBP.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=29324

You got played Dan, admit it

Don't get me wrong, if by some miracle it does finally go ahead next year, I will be excited. But it's lost some of its shine through all this bitter nonsense.

The fight will happen..... when Arum is ready.

And, you will be excited

How's that for imparting intrinsic knowledge

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

Ha ha ha! That's funny! How long it took you to think
of that one? You called me "real"&"Knowledgable"
It must hold truth to you. I'm just bringing forth what was
actually written and documented. Not catching a hussy fit,
posting and talking a whole lotta nada because no one is
cosigning $#!t that never happened. Call me what you
want, but at the end of the day, I'm a keep telling it like it is
and not what HERBS like yourself emotionally feel inside.
Just as a parting gift. Here's another FACTUAL quote
that actually did happen.......

i said you tried to pass yourself off as "knowledgeable." I didnt say YOU WERE KNOWLEDGEABLE. You are a pretending to be knowledgeable & neutral but in actuality you are nothing but a biased ass floyd fanboy groupie. You are of the same ilk as karceno & horus, young black guys who wish you had floyd's lifestyle, probably met floyd in the club & act as if you are childhood homies & defend floyd at every turn. You are trying to live vicariously through floyd. You tell it the way you see it, not the way it is, but act as if you spittin some truth only you know. GTFO you pretentious hack.

You keep posting lame ass quotes without links as if it means anything.

so what if floyd called them out? did it happen? did floyd's team offer them a deal? did floyd's team give all those boxers he called out a HARD OFFER? Do you even know what a HARD OFFER is in boxing terms?

Its easy to call people out, its a lot harder to actually get in the ring with them.

Get back to me noob when you find out whether or not team floyd gave a boxing HARD OFFER to all those guys he called out & got turned down by those guys, there is even that popular video floyd stan fanboys such as yourself & in your case quotes like to point out a as if means anything.

Talk is cheap.

[GRUSTLER]

can people stop saying mayweather wanted to fight cotto. it's only the exact opposite of the truth. some of you can't even decipher what you read. mayweather would have taken the 8 million to fight margarito but he made a bunch of crazy demands he knew wouldn't be met. remember his career high payday at that point was 5 million against judah and now he's demanding 10 million to fight cotto(still was at 140) who's not even in his division. talk about pricing yourself out. if that's not ducking i don't know what is. if you need further proof when cotto moved up to 147, became a huge star and would have made floyd much much more than 10 million he refused to fight him and fake retired.

Arum felt the same as you. Even said that Floyd couldn't
get 20MIL for Oscar De La Hoya, BUT he got it, didn't he?
AND he got 8MIL for Baldomir, who according to Margarito,
(the man everyone said Floyd was ducking) was a dangerous
man. You want to pull pieces out of my post but everything
is there. Hatton and Cotto was at the Gatti fight as possible
opponents remember? What happened to Hatton and Cotto
after Gatti? Not a peep. Jim Lampley even said Cotto was
there because he was next in line to fight Floyd but should
reconsider because Cotto to him wasn't ready. All of these
are facts. Cotto was coming up under Floyd and NEVER
called him out. I would have love to see an undefeated
Miguel Cotto and Floyd Jr but Floyd would have been the
favorite. Cotto didn't even know how to get his best punch
off (body punch) on Margarito. Cotto as he stepped up his
challenges, he started to get exposed just like he did
at 140. People talk about Floyd ducking a prime Mosley
but Pac never called out or wanted to fight an old Mosley.
The same old guy Floyd dominated. I can care less how
people feel but once they start trying to rewrite history
or talk nada about nothing, I have a problem with it.
STOP SPREADING FALSENESS.

[GRUSTLER]

i said you tried to pass yourself off as "knowledgeable." I didnt say YOU WERE KNOWLEDGEABLE. You are a pretending to be knowledgeable & neutral but in actuality you are nothing but a biased ass floyd fanboy groupie. You are of the same ilk as karceno & horus, young black guys who wish you had floyd's lifestyle, probably met floyd in the club & act as if you are childhood homies & defend floyd at every turn. You are trying to live vicariously through floyd. You tell it the way you see it, not the way it is, but act as if you spittin some truth only you know. GTFO you pretentious hack.

You keep posting lame ass quotes without links as if it means anything.

so what if floyd called them out? did it happen? did floyd's team offer them a deal? did floyd's team give all those boxers he called out a HARD OFFER? Do you even know what a HARD OFFER is in boxing terms?

Its easy to call people out, its a lot harder to actually get in the ring with them.

Get back to me noob when you find out whether or not team floyd gave a boxing HARD OFFER to all those guys he called out & got turned down by those guys, there is even that popular video floyd stan fanboys such as yourself & in your case quotes like to point out a as if means anything.

Talk is cheap.

Ok, so now I'm making all of this up? This is what happened in
boxing. Where were you? Shows how much YOU know about
the sport.

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

Arum felt the same as you. Even said that Floyd couldn't
get 20MIL for Oscar De La Hoya, BUT he got it, didn't he?
AND he got 8MIL for Baldomir, who according to Margarito,
(the man everyone said Floyd was ducking) was a dangerous
man. You want to pull pieces out of my post but everything
is there. Hatton and Cotto was at the Gatti fight as possible
opponents remember? What happened to Hatton and Cotto
after Gatti? Not a peep. Jim Lampley even said Cotto was
there because he was next in line to fight Floyd but should
reconsider because Cotto to him wasn't ready. All of these
are facts. Cotto was coming up under Floyd and NEVER
called him out. I would have love to see an undefeated
Miguel Cotto and Floyd Jr but Floyd would have been the
favorite. Cotto didn't even know how to get his best punch
off (body punch) on Margarito. Cotto as he stepped up his
challenges, he started to get exposed just like he did
at 140. People talk about Floyd ducking a prime Mosley
but Pac never called out or wanted to fight an old Mosley.
The same old guy Floyd dominated. I can care less how
people feel but once they start trying to rewrite history
or talk nada about nothing, I have a problem with it.
STOP SPREADING FALSENESS.

sure lampley could have said those things, but that dont make them facts. that would make them lampley's opinion. floyd got 20 mill from oscar? who are you his accountant? wait, you read it online that he got 20 mill?

did you even know the terms of the oscar fight? they were highly skewered towards oscar's favor. the fact that oscar was the promoter & got floyd to take the smaller share made it even worse. Even when the ppv returns came back,it was highly tilted in oscar's favor. Actually pacquiao got a better deal than floyd on the ppv returns. the only reason floyd made more money with oscar is they sold more. he got the short end of the stick in the money splits with oscar that's why he didnt want to do the rematch with oscar.

why do yo think floyd kept on having money troubles after the oscar fight?

[Ragnar Lothbrok]

Ok, so now I'm making all of this up? This is what happened in
boxing. Where were you? Shows how much YOU know about
the sport.

thanks for proving my point noob. sure, floyd called out all those fighters. there's video of this (much better evidence than your linkless quotes), but what does that mean? they interviewed him RIGHT AFTER A FIGHT INSIDE THE RING. As if another fight gets signed after a fight that just happened since larry merchant asked you a question right?

AGAIN GRUSTLER,

PLEASE PROVIDE ME EVIDENCE OF THOSE FIGHTERS DECLINING TO FIGHT FLOYD & THE HARD OFFER FLOYD GAVE THEM.

Have you figured out what a boxing hard offer is yet?

You know nothing you novice.